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Hambo-180
17-02-10, 11:36 AM
Howdy folks,
I have an engine question - is it a Rover or Honda engine in a 53 plate Rover 45 1.6? My mate's dad is buying one and was asking about stuff including what engine is in it....
Hambo-180
17-02-10, 02:51 PM
No, its Powertrain.
any know realiabilty problems? i.e HGF..
talkingcars
17-02-10, 06:32 PM
I think what we are sying is that the K series engine will not have been supplied by Rover or by Honda but by Powertrain who IIRC were part of MG/Rover, it is still a kseries and will have the same HG problems as any other Kseries (although the later ones are genrally stronger than the early ones).
starfire039
17-02-10, 08:10 PM
I think what we are sying is that the K series engine will not have been supplied by Rover or by Honda but by Powertrain who IIRC were part of MG/Rover, it is still a kseries and will have the same HG problems as any other Kseries (although the later ones are genrally stronger than the early ones).
+1
it is the same K series you find in the MGs. I wouldn't buy one of those to be honest. I would go for a diesel personally. Same sort of power, more reliable, a lot more mpg, less tax, it just makes sense to me.
EDIT: re read what I wrote, I'm not bashing the K series, I love mine to pieces and it runs perfectly, but if reliability is a major factor for your Dad, I just wouldn't bother with a K series when you could buy an L series.
Hambo-180
17-02-10, 08:34 PM
thanks folks for the advice, wasnt sure if the 1.6 engine had the same HGF issues as the 1.8 vvc. I guess just keeping an eye on coolant levels is a must then....
Southside_ZS
17-02-10, 09:37 PM
I think in the k-series 4-pot the bigger the engine size the more prone they seam to be to HGF as the bore sizes gets bigger it reduces the distance between ports on the gasket. I could be wrong but thats what i've heard.
You do seam to see more 1.8's with HGF than 1.4's and i've rarely heard of the 1.4 8V suddering from it compared to the 16V
i dunno about that but i think your along the right lines with the engine sizes i think, i think the temprature has more of an effect on it, think the majority of hgf are caused by overheating whether that be by no coolant or fans no working ect, also i think a lot are caused by coolant changes where the engine hasnt been bled properly then overheats before the head fills up with water completely, thats my theory anyways
a 1.4 is gonna create less heat than a 1.8 landrover where so bad with the freelander because it was such a heavy car to lug around it made the engine extra warm inside
We've got two diesel MG's, and one petrol 25 in our family... No major problems from either of the diesels (one ZT, the other ZS), wish I could say the same for the 25 though!
My mums car hasn't even done 26k miles and it's had the head gasket done.. Never overheated, always service according to service schedule (on times, not mileage as it's done hardly any!).. Driven very conservatively by my 47 year old mother, so not ragged!
I personally would never buy a K-series MG/Rover
Southside_ZS
18-02-10, 05:04 PM
We've got two diesel MG's, and one petrol 25 in our family... No major problems from either of the diesels (one ZT, the other ZS), wish I could say the same for the 25 though!
My mums car hasn't even done 26k miles and it's had the head gasket done.. Never overheated, always service according to service schedule (on times, not mileage as it's done hardly any!).. Driven very conservatively by my 47 year old mother, so not ragged!
I personally would never buy a K-series MG/Rover
What years the 25? the later engines seam to be less prone. My mrs's 54 plate 1.4 ZR has done 130k on the factory gasket ;)
talkingcars
18-02-10, 06:45 PM
The 1.4 8 valve 114 I inherited from my mum failed in spectacular style, it was using 4 pints of water in 2 miles!
RudeDogg1
18-02-10, 06:57 PM
and the 1.8 zs isnt vvc
al depends they are all potentially prone, but keeping an eye on levels condition of radiator ect n theyre usually fine,
and the 1.8 zs isnt vvc
Yes, correct or that would be a ZS160, just like the ZR!
What years the 25? the later engines seam to be less prone. My mrs's 54 plate 1.4 ZR has done 130k on the factory gasket ;)
It's a 51 plate, so reasonably old...
SheppyDuo's 1.6 ZS also had HGF, so it's not just the older cars...
Yes, correct or that would be a ZS160, just like the ZR!
Which they should have done instead of the 1.8 IMO!
Leaving room to put a better, more efficient v6 into the 180, but with more power!
It's a 51 plate, so reasonably old...
SheppyDuo's 1.6 ZS also had HGF, so it's not just the older cars...
Which they should have done instead of the 1.8 IMO!
Leaving room to put a better, more efficient v6 into the 180, but with more power!
Aye, so which V6 would that be though?? :)
Aye, so which V6 would that be though?? :)
this one!
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii143/armstrod/HondaEngine.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/2008-acura-rl-is-hi-tech-luxury-priced-affordably/7162860+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-acura-rl-engine.jpg
The J35 displaced 3,471 cc is an SOHC VTEC design. Output was 210 bhp or 240 bhp
The J35A5 used in the 2004 - 2006 Acura MDX produces 265 hp
The new J35 used in the Acura RL produces 290 bhp
The Acura RL
http://www.cars.com/features/autoshows/2008/chicago/coverage/images/2009_acura_rl/2009_acura_rl_0_430.jpg
this one!
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii143/armstrod/HondaEngine.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/2008-acura-rl-is-hi-tech-luxury-priced-affordably/7162860+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-acura-rl-engine.jpg
The J35 displaced 3,471 cc is an SOHC VTEC design. Output was 210 bhp or 240 bhp
The J35A5 used in the 2004 - 2006 Acura MDX produces 265 hp
The new J35 used in the Acura RL produces 290 bhp
The Acura RL
http://www.cars.com/features/autoshows/2008/chicago/coverage/images/2009_acura_rl/2009_acura_rl_0_430.jpg
very nice, but could MG-Rover have actually bought it in?? Pay Honda for the engine, design it into existing zs's shell/wiring etc. When they could barely manage a facelift before going tits up?? :D
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