Mk1 ZS 180 Saloon

[mattie007]

I'll be quite picky with this as im in no rush to buy.

Im after a low mileage Silver/Trophy Blue/Xpower Grey/Biomorphic green(long shot!)/monogram mk1 ZS saloon. Needs to be mint inside and out with cambelt done, no vis/manifold issues. Dont mind if its standard or with a nice exhaust/induction.

£1600 budget.

[roverdave81]

have a look at this for £2000
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1537581.htm
or this for £1750
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1530990.htm
this £2000
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1412229.htm
this £1995
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1516671.htm
this £1550
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1410212.htm

[Gachet180]

The first one is Blue Harbour from Xpower forums old car, might be worth dropping him a PM if you are registered on there to find out more details.

[mattie007]

Thanks for the links :beer2:

Ive emailed the chap about harbs old car. I think it was in a trackday crash and he was never happy with it after that. I'll try and get some more info.

[Jay-ZS+]

Both of Harbs ZS' on pistonheads within a week!!!

Good luck with the hunt Matt if you have time on your hands sure something nice will crop up.

[stamford]

I don't want to appear rude, but stating it has to be mint inside and out with work done, low mileage and for a budget of £1600 is somewhat asking too much. Let's not forget these cars are underpriced for what they are, so imo asking for the above for £1600 undermines us current owners.

Personally if I were looking to buy a 180 I would be expecting to pay over £2-2.5k for a mint mk1 as you have described, £1600 would be requiring some work and not mint. What else can you buy for £1600 that is the same age and has similar features and performance etc and is mint? Bet most will be older, tired and with alot of miles.

You may well be very lucky in your search and I may be proved wrong.

[mattie007]

Your right and I apologise if I have undermined them. Im going on the 3 ZS's I have viewed this week. All were the spec I was after and in good condition varying in price from £1150 to £1500.

[stamford]

Your right and I apologise if I have undermined them. Im going on the 3 ZS's I have viewed this week. All were the spec I was after and in good condition varying in price from £1150 to £1500.


Good for yourself but bad for those selling, seems some owners feel they are worthless which is a crying shame. One day this will turn around and probably give it another 10-15 years they well be sought after and you will see inflated prices. I have seen it recently with cars back in my day that were unnoticed whereas today they are sought after and what I can only say as unbelievably high prices.

We will look back on this and say, wish I held on to that car, look at them now!

[Dan1971]

Your right and I apologise if I have undermined them. Im going on the 3 ZS's I have viewed this week. All were the spec I was after and in good condition varying in price from £1150 to £1500.

:huh: Can't have been .... you didn't buy one ?

[Supercharged_Z]

:huh: Can't have been .... you didn't buy one ?

thats what i thought.

lets face it, with 1600 quid as a budget, you will not get everything you want imo

[mattie007]

:huh: Can't have been .... you didn't buy one ?

Nope! I spoke to them all over the phone and made a point of asking if they where in vgc with a major service. When I got there, none of them could prove if the belts had actually been done, the paintwork left alot to be desired and all drove a bit 'odd'.
Maybe Im being naive as these they were 5-7 year old cars, but why lie over the phone? I would rather them just say, its not great, but doesnt need a lot spending on it.

The search continues!

[mattie007]

Ive changed my mind, especially with petrol prices expected to be at 1.30 by the end of the year :(

Looks like Im going the TF cams route :smart:

[stamford]

Shocking price isn't it! Good job I have got my Disco back and the ZS is an occassional car now.

[Dan1971]

If you take the time to work out what the extra cost actually is of the petrol compared to the mileage you'd get out of the 180 - I bet you it wouldn't be as much as the cams etc and everything else you'd want to do to your 120 !

I don't know - say 250 (fun filled smiling) miles per tank (£50) for a 180 and 350 per tank for a 120.

The fuel is the same cost, so it depends on your mileage.

Say it's 6K - that would cost you - (24x50) -
£1200 in fuel in a 180.
£857 in fuel in a 120

So - very simply- you would save a whapping £343 in petrol over the year. Break that down to every month and you'd save £28.50.

Do more miles and the difference gets bigger. If you do less miles - the savings will not be as much.

Personally - I'd say get a 180.....but I would I suppose.

If the petrol is your reason for not getting one - I'd say - get one. If it's a combination of all of the running costs and the petrol has tipped the scale - fair enough.

Ofcourse - you could get a bike !

[talkingcars]

Nope! I spoke to them all over the phone and made a point of asking if they where in vgc with a major service. When I got there, none of them could prove if the belts had actually been done, the paintwork left alot to be desired and all drove a bit 'odd'.
Maybe Im being naive as these they were 5-7 year old cars, but why lie over the phone? I would rather them just say, its not great, but doesnt need a lot spending on it.

The search continues!

I know this is old news but if the 3 cars you looked at were close to your price of £1600 but a long way off in quality doesn't that make you think you need to budget more or accept less.

[mattie007]

Your right mate, I had increased my budget, only for hours to get cut at work. Im a warehouse manager and was on 40 hours, its now 30 :( It was that or leave. So thats £300 less a month, that would of done nicely for petrol.

I really dont know what to do, im so undecisive!
The cam conversion will cost around £450 inc labour or around £700 with a remap.

Dan, good way of looking at it. Ive got a bike though ;)

[Dan1971]

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Dan, good way of looking at it. Ive got a bike though ;)


Then use it more and get a 180 !

[stamford]

ZS180 = 250 miles to a tank, I guess that is if you are reasonably heavy footed ;)

I averaged 320 to a tank and that was mixed driving on a weekly commute. If I drove sensibly and kept it under 65 mph ;) and below 3k then it would increase beyond 350.

Don't forget, a car weighing approximately the same with an under powered engine fitted will consume more fuel when pushed compared with the same car fitted with a bigger capacity engine with more power. You do not need to use all the power all of the time in this instance but it is there when needed :D

[cdti]

TB 180 saloon with belts, clutch and slave cylinder done (unfortunately not a sheddist) recent cv joints for MOT and N/S front bearing, and full geometry setup, if your interested PM.