ZS strut braces

[Jay-ZS+]

I know Mick has mentioned wanting a rear strut brace and I was planning on getting one for once the car is stripped. Theres a guy on Rovertech that recently made up a batch of rear lower braces, I have asked if he will be making any more and he needs at least 5 people to make a batch. That means I need four of you lot to put your names down :thumbsup:

Heres what they look like only in black
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/cableguy1984/Strut%20Braces/P1010556.jpg
There are no pivot joints to flex so should make a decent difference. :)

I asked him if he wanted to promote on here but he suggested I did so any question give us a shout.

They cost £35 or he did a collection for RT members near junction 9 M6 for £30.

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[stamford]

I'm trying to picture the mounting position in my mind here. Will need to have a look tonight before saying for sure.

[Maxfly]

sounds interersting, but as Mick said canna really picture the mounting of it, could you ask if he has fitted pics of them please?? :)

[KevG]

Yeah me too, unsure of where it goes!

[Jay-ZS+]

Ive asked if there are any picture of any that were fitted to ZS'

Apparently you o ffer it in to postition and mark the lower arm mounting points.

Take the two 13mm bolts out holding the reat lower arms in , drill through and bolt it on.

Hopefully someone will come back with a pic. :)

[Jay-ZS+]

Heres a pic of one welded to a coupe but its the same principle.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s350/meadows3990/DSC02724.jpg

[stamford]

I'll still check under mine before committing as I won't be drilling holes to fit it, defeats the object really. Creating more stress points if in the wrong place.

[Jay-ZS+]

I'll still check under mine before committing as I won't be drilling holes to fit it, defeats the object really. Creating more stress points if in the wrong place.

Dont blame you Id feel happier if you did as well :)

[Maxxed_Ross]

you should still be able to weld it in place

[Jay-ZS+]

you should still be able to weld it in place

This is true, Id prob get mine welded when I come round to having bucket brackets made up.

[Roverdose214]

I will hopefully be getting one of these!

Does anyone want this?

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo31/Roverdose214/DSC02922.jpg?t=1270850360

Also, Dan will weld them in for you for around £50 all in.

Alot of people are happy with them, my brace makes the back end feel tighter but i want to try out a different one tbf.

[Maxxed_Ross]

how much you wanting for it?

[MG6Turbo]

The only problem with these strut braces is what they do to the handling in the wet !

I have seen zs`s spin in the wet with these fitted.

If this is for track use only then fair dos, but to fit on a road going car with just an average driver is in my opinion suicide in the wet.

You need some flexability in the car in wet conditions, stiff stiff stiff aint the anwser here.

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[Jay-ZS+]

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo31/Roverdose214/DSC02922.jpg?t=1270850360


Was that fitted with the car held up by the jacks, not sure Id be happy pulling the bolts up tight without axle stands :unsure:

[stamford]

Was that fitted with the car held up by the jacks, not sure Id be happy pulling the bolts up tight without axle stands :unsure:

God I hope not, if that was how it was done then you ought to get a good kicking! :no:

[Jay-ZS+]

God I hope not, if that was how it was done then you ought to get a good kicking! :no:

More likely to get a squashing! lol

[stamford]

Known too many lazy idiots get squashed using no axle stands, fatal as well. Anytime I see someone working under a car with no axle stands I kick them!

[Jay-ZS+]

What the people or the Jacks :unsure:

Doesnt take 2 seconds to stick a stand at the rear!!

[Roverdose214]

how much you wanting for it?

£33 posted sound reasonable? Its still technically brand new as the car has been driven on it for about 20 miles lol.

And i only post recorded 1st class to.

Pm me, or email me Z-Project@live.co.uk :D

Also, when that picture was taken, i had just removed loads of wheels that went each side of the jack and was about a cm from the chassis rail, so if it fell all would be well lol

[Jay-ZS+]

£33 posted sound reasonable? Its still technically brand new as the car has been driven on it for about 20 miles lol.

And i only post recorded 1st class to.

Pm me, or email me Z-Project@live.co.uk :D

Or £24 new http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Honda-Civic-96-00-REAR-LOWER-Strut-Brace-Tie-Bar_W0QQitemZ300403947127QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item45f1787677

[MG6Turbo]

Jay you do make me laugh..

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[Dave ZS-X]

i have a brand new rear lower brace for zs, id forgot about it tbh.
Its different to the one pictured, in that it bolts using o.e holes so no drilling and its adjustable so if you wanted to drive like a loon on wet roads and thought it was dentrimental to the handling in the wet you could slack it off a turn.
Sie ran one on his track zs and it certainly did not affect the handling in any negative way wether it was wet or dry and i know lunar use them and rate them as i discussed it with pete. Its a standard fit item on the teg dc2 which is basically the same chassis so you have to assume it does something.

Still in box and unused.
30 quid plus p and p.
p.m me anyone whos interested in it.

[MG6Turbo]

They do work on track, but you will notice an adverse effect in the wet on a bumpy road.

On a car that came std with them, the manufacturer has already dialled safety into the equation.

The zs hasnt had the benefit of a tweak from the manufacturer to run this item on the road.

Stiffening suspension in the wet will compromise handling. its a known fact.

If its for track use then fine, but for road use, its not needed.

I have never had a std zs 180 give any issues on the road.

G

[Dave ZS-X]

to notice any negative effect (if it even existed)on any wet road you would have to be driving like you were lewis hamilton.
All this brace does is remove a tiny amount of chassis flex, and the chassis wont be flexing like crazy anyway at normal road speeds in the wet because to generate any huge amount of chassis flex you need a dry road so you can actually generate some grip from the tyres.
This mod does not alter the suspension or geometry or tyre pressures and these are the critical areas that will effect handling much more than any brace bar. The zs is not an old sloppy escort that flops about like a jelly, its already very stiff as anyone who has jacked up the side front and noticed the rear raise also will know. Sie said he couldnt even tell a difference driving with both upper and lower brace bars fitted on road or on track, thats how small a change were talking here, and sie used to drive pretty blummin quick!

Yes it "could" in theory in certain circumstances be a tiny negative but we are talking a very small percentage of difference between having a brace and not having one as to make it all but irrelevant to the average driver in average conditions, Just altering your tyre pressures a few psi would make much more of a difference to handling and folks dont even notice small tyre pressure changes.
Imo its a decent mod for the enthusiastic driver in the dry, in the wet your not settting cross country records anyway, but whatever you just adjust to suit, make allowances and feel the grip gradually.
You would have to be pretty darn stupid to fit a brace bar and torque it up and then go out for the first time on a wet road and drive at ten tenths to see what effect it had, lol.
9 drivers out of 10 if you fitted one of these to their car without their knowledge would never even tell any difference.
Mountain out of a molehill, No the zs doesnt need a brace bar for road use , yes its fine without one, but its also fine on standard wheels and with standard induction and standard springs and standard brakes and standard diff, and changing any of these things could have a negative effect by being altered but generally i think were all still alive here, lol....just because somethings fine doesnt mean it cant be improved, thats the point of modifying...to make something thats average a little more special.

[Jay-ZS+]

How was yours set up before you had the cage dave?

[Dave ZS-X]

thats a good point,yes i had a full weld in cage which stiffened the car up massively more than any brace bar and that had zero negative effect to my cars on road wet handling....no difference at all.

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"How was yours set up before you had the cage dave?"

handling wise, lightweight wheels with 888 tyres , coilovers, quaife lsd , altered geometry for track, altered rake, altered weight distribution and weight reduction,.... even with this track biased set up on track tyres and with coilovers set firm i could cover a wet road quicker than most and so would anbody with a few miles under their belts.