"54" Plate Mk2 - 1.6 Black Saloon with 180 Kit...

[Dan1971]

... and it looks like all he wants is ?1450 .....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-MG-ZS-1-6-BLACK-FULL-BODYKIT-STUNNING-CAR-/270668052564?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f0512b854

[petet16]

It finished at ?1250 yesterday, so pretty close to the price he wanted.

It looks worth ?1450 to me.

[coreygraham180]

I would have it if the fund were available

[Southside_ZS]

I would have it if the fund were available

I'd have it in a shot if it were closer :(

[Dan1971]

That lkooks to me to be a great T16 type starter .... Especially with it being reg as a 1.6 for tax etc

[rakester]

That lkooks to me to be a great T16 type starter .... Especially with it being reg as a 1.6 for tax etc

Tax band should be changed if engine is changed ;) Illegal if it isn't...

[Dan1971]

Tax band should be changed if engine is changed ;) Illegal if it isn't...

Don't think so .... ;)

We debated this a while back and I emailed the DVLA. Tax band is calculated at the point of registration.

[petet16]

No, not illegal.

Illegal to insure it as a 1.6 if it's 2.0.

[rakester]

Don't think so .... ;)

We debated this a while back and I emailed the DVLA. Tax band is calculated at the point of registration.

No, not illegal.

Illegal to insure it as a 1.6 if it's 2.0.

Really? Hmm...how come a lot of tubby boys have informed dvla and had there tax band changed them? (I know Superpy on the ZR site has had his tax band changed when he changed from a 120 to a T16)

[rakester]

Nope has to be declared to DVLA...

http://dvlaguide.co.uk/index.php/dvlaguide/exchange_tax_disc/

...

"If the Fuel Type or Engine Size Has Changed

For changes to the fuel type or engine size (cylinder capacity), which needs a lower rate of vehicle tax to be paid, you must provide documentary evidence of the change. This can be the receipt for the new engine, written evidence from the manufacturer, insurance company or garage that carried out the change."

I presume and am pretty sure it would change the amount of tax you pay as obviously car will be producing different emissions. Either way it has to be declared to DVLA.

Obviously has to be insured as 2.0 turbo as well, I believe it can actually void your insurance too if not declared to DVLA (we contacted Adrian Flux on the ZR site and asked this question a while back)

[petet16]

Slightly ot, but in this months Practical Classics there is an article about the DVLA clamping down on engine swaps, particularly non original engines being swapped, so will affect T16s into ZS/ZR as neither car was originally fitted with a T16, for as much as it will impact on us, the DVLA will want to know all about the origins of the new engine, so be wary of buying an engine without knowing the details of the car it came from.

When mine was done there was no problem because the engine came out of my old 420, but if you buy an engine with no history they can refuse to issue a V5, which will render the car undriveable.

[rakester]

To be honest most people just use whatever engine number they can find as most are illegible due to old age on T16's now lol

[petet16]

I know what you're saying, but as I read it they want more than just the engine number, they want details about the donor car, it is all to cut down on the trade in stolen parts apparently.

[Dan1971]

Hey - Was just an idea - I was looking at a 1.6 as I fancy a cheap 2nd car which a 1.6 would be - but a turbo'd car wouldn't.

Yes you have to declare changes to the DVLA.
Yes you have to insure the correct engine size to insurers.

The tax band though - I'm sure - will not change as the emissions cannot be established and so remain as they were when the car was first registered.

I reckon - and it's a guess - the one you refer to changed because the date of registration is where the tax is calculated purely on engine size - not emissions - as it has been since 2001 ?

[Nor]

Quite fancy that car. Not really liking my 180 atm.

[petet16]

Nope has to be declared to DVLA...

http://dvlaguide.co.uk/index.php/dvlaguide/exchange_tax_disc/

...

"If the Fuel Type or Engine Size Has Changed

For changes to the fuel type or engine size (cylinder capacity), which needs a lower rate of vehicle tax to be paid, you must provide documentary evidence of the change. This can be the receipt for the new engine, written evidence from the manufacturer, insurance company or garage that carried out the change."

I presume and am pretty sure it would change the amount of tax you pay as obviously car will be producing different emissions. Either way it has to be declared to DVLA.

Obviously has to be insured as 2.0 turbo as well, I believe it can actually void your insurance too if not declared to DVLA (we contacted Adrian Flux on the ZR site and asked this question a while back)

The key phrase here is "which needs a LOWER rate of vehicle tax to be paid"

The T16 turbo ceased production in 1999, so as I understand it the emissions apply as if it were a 1999 car.

[rakester]

The key phrase here is "which needs a LOWER rate of vehicle tax to be paid"

The T16 turbo ceased production in 1999, so as I understand it the emissions apply as if it were a 1999 car.

Ah right my bad :) Still needs to be declared though even if there isn't a change in price ;)

I should be eligible for a lower tax band on my 180 then when t16'd haha :D