ZS180 v Scooby WRX

[daytona365]

Was such a nice day today, I had fixed my ZEDs little probs ( Door handle), gave him a wash. Decided to go for a little spin in the sunshine. Found some nice twisty B roads not far from me, and boy was it fun. The 180 is so responsive just kept in 3rd and 4th. Then after about 20mins, noticed a Scooby WRX in my way, with the blue paint and all the 555 stickers. I just carried on blasting round the bends, and the thing just couldnt get away. We came to a petrol station and we both pulled in. The driver asked me what I had under the bonnet, I just said normal 2.5v6, the scooby driver said he thought it was souped as he has been trying to lose me. That made my day. The ZS is still a match for these imposters.......:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[KevG]

If it was a UK spec Scoob, then the 180 will pi$$ all over it, but if it is an import then either the driver just cannot get the car going or the scoob is knackered.

[daytona365]

If it was a UK spec Scoob, then the 180 will pi$$ all over it, but if it is an import then either the driver just cannot get the car going or the scoob is knackered.

So not that the ZS180 when driven by someone who knows how to drive just cant be pulled away from????????????????????????????:thumbsup::thumbsu p:

[Bobdope2002]

The ZS180 wouldn't stand a cahnce against a souped up scoob that is all

[daytona365]

The ZS180 wouldn't stand a cahnce against a souped up scoob that is all

The scoobys by you must be souped up then, cos I kept up with a McRae shape in just my 214SEi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mind you almost all the Sccoby drivers near me are brain dead lol:clap2::clap2: If you brake too early, mess up the corners and dont accelerate until minutes later, you dont deserve to own a car like that, drive your dads toyota corolla...........

[Supercharged_Z]

The ZS180 wouldn't stand a cahnce against a souped up scoob that is all

I can tell you that your wrong.

I am yet to find a scoob on track that can really push the zs through its paces. infact i find that in the corners the scoob has far to much transmission loss to cope with the fast cornering ZS.

Also not all, but a lot of scoob drivers just think cause there in a scoob they are super fast and super fly, when infact they have no idea on how to drive the car to its full potential.

You would need a zs with usual mods but there a fairly easy beat.

[Dan1971]

And "the Stig" would do the lot of you in a diesel Astra, or the German bird in a Transit van ....

Zs is a good car.
Scooby is a good car.

Both very fast if in the right hands.

[S13AVO]

A lot of Scooby drivers around my way, and not one has been able to touch me in my 180, only thing that has dogged me so far is a M5, but yet on the cornering was catching him up again :-)

[Bobdope2002]

A moderatley sooped up scoob 250bhp vs a 180 no chance in the straights mebbe in the corners as for keeping up with one in a 214 I don't believe you

Edit: come to think of it I actually showed up one of those Suzuki swifts yesterday on a roundabout he went round it on near enough 2 wheels I went round and I was so much quicker I had to undertake June off the roundabout

[Dave MGT]

I can tell you that your wrong.

I am yet to find a scoob on track that can really push the zs through its paces. infact i find that in the corners the scoob has far to much transmission loss to cope with the fast cornering ZS.

Also not all, but a lot of scoob drivers just think cause there in a scoob they are super fast and super fly, when infact they have no idea on how to drive the car to its full potential.

You would need a zs with usual mods but there a fairly easy beat.

I agree.
I have yet to have a scooby overtake me on road or track.
They arent as fast as people make out. They need at least 300bhp+ in my book.
Even then on track a 180 driven properly wouldnt have a problem!

[Ritchy]

i completly trounced a racing bike on my mountainbike on tuesday, and i had a flat tyre, shame it was a fat guy

[Bobdope2002]

Lol Willy wanging is mega in this thread

[grimmy]

i completly trounced a racing bike on my mountainbike on tuesday, and i had a flat tyre, shame it was a fat guy

Lol. but sadly this is the most sensible post in the thread.

[Supercharged_Z]

its disapointing to see people taking the **** or disbelif in the cars we all drive. might as well give up now and go buy a scoob, as all the experience of people on track and many on road means nothing.

Especially if people who push the zs to the extremes are being put down. whats the point. might as well post on a generic multicar forum. I dont spose anybody is actually intrested in real life experience on here then.

[cdti]

I've always thought scoobs to be quicker than 180's even in the standard UK WRX spec. That goes for acceleration, top speed and cornering.

[S13AVO]

its disapointing to see people taking the **** or disbelif in the cars we all drive. might as well give up now and go buy a scoob, as all the experience of people on track and many on road means nothing.

Especially if people who push the zs to the extremes are being put down. whats the point. might as well post on a generic multicar forum. I dont spose anybody is actually intrested in real life experience on here then.

Totally agree with you !!!!

[Quadcam24]

Its all about the driver, you could have a 500 bhp subaru and still be overtaken on a race track by a standard MG ZS, or vice versa.
Personally ive never come across a Subaru, that i couldnt show a clean set of heels too, but ive also never come across an MG ZS that i couldn't show a clean set of heels too either.

[Dan1971]

Its all about the driver, you could have a 500 bhp subaru and still be overtaken on a race track by a standard MG ZS, or vice versa.
Personally ive never come across a Subaru, that i couldnt show a clean set of heels too, but ive also never come across an MG ZS that i couldn't show a clean set of heels too either.

Exactamundo .....

[Dave MGT]

Lol Willy wanging is mega in this thread

Bit of a stupid comment!
Im stating real life situations and exsperiences. Well, call it what you want.

Just to say a 250bhp scooby wouldnt leave a zs180 for dust in a straight line. Trans loss on the scooby is about 70-80bhp.
But as said....the driver does come into it to a certain exstent.
A mate I work with has a scooby with that power and my 180 is definetly quicker, no question. He keeps asking to swap cars! He thought it was turboed untill last week......I did laugh!

Im not slating scoobys. They are great cars!....but I think people need to give the ZS a bit more credit. Sad to say that on a ZS forum!

Anyway, this is my last post here because like Ross, Im getting fed up of all the negative digs.

[S13AVO]

Bit of a stupid comment!
Im stating real life situations and exsperiences. Well, call it what you want.

Just to say a 250bhp scooby wouldnt leave a zs180 for dust in a straight line. Trans loss on the scooby is about 70-80bhp.
But as said....the driver does come into it to a certain exstent.
A mate I work with has a scooby with that power and my 180 is definetly quicker, no question. He keeps asking to swap cars! He thought it was turboed untill last week......I did laugh!

Im not slating scoobys. They are great cars!....but I think people need to give the ZS a bit more credit. Sad to say that on a ZS forum!

Anyway, this is my last post here because like Ross, Im getting fed up of all the negative digs.

Should have a like button like facebook, cos I'd of like this comment :-) well said :-)

[Levi]

I think it's always good to hear peoples experiences out there on the track and road, so keep posting lads. The only thing I find frustrating from a personal point of view is that my car doesn't feel as quick in a 'straight line' as how most people are describing on here, but fantastic on the twisty roads. Next pay day is defo time for a rolling road/diagnostics session to see if it's me or the car!

[roverdave81]

well i had a top race in my new coupe turbo against my mate evo 8 couldnt past me in a straight line or on the bends pritty much even the hole time
then was out in the zs td fri nite and kick ass over a bmw mini cabby

[carmadbaker]

In my turbo..for some reason scoobys always give me a funny look after that initial... "waaaaaarrrppp pttshhhhh" :tease: They expect an easy overtake.... and get lumbered looking at the back end of a 10 year old Rover :P if only they knew!!
The ultimate wolf in sheeps clothing :evil:

[nath86]

Well iv owned 4 180's a uk impreza turbo 2000 a wrx import and currently own a sport model (as well as a zs180 at this present time) and to say the wrx was quick but i did get overtaken by my friends mondeo st as i constantly had boost problems with it! the turbo 2000 was not fast at all, but it did pop and go very nicely :) but the handling i think in the zs is better, i find that the scoobs have more body roll than a zs although awd does pull you around corners nicely, but i have to say a zs 180 would frighten quite a few more exspensive exotic cars out there through the twistys! so less of the negative and take it from someone who has owned both types of cars in this thread! its very possible to show up quite alot of people in a zs :)

[fastmike]

I too have owned 2 ZS180s a UK Scooby WRX and a 330 BHP Import WRX........ and in my opinion its the driver with the most to loose and/or the most fearfull that backs off first..... nothing to do with which is fastest

The ZSs are nicer places to be in , Scooby interiors are naff by any standard

[p_b82]

I always fid it funny when in acloud of torque poo people in the vag group diesels suddenly find their expensive 'i own the road car' is slower than 'an old rover in drag' ;)

Can't say i really push the car out on the roads though really anymore - just not worth it either in terms of meeting the law or due to being more careful nowadays generally.

[ZRed]

horses for courses!

i`ve never had a porsche pass me on track, but have mauled a few in the metro.

doesn`t make my metro a better car than the porsche, but does make great pub talk.

[zsserbia]

As someone on here already said, please don't underestimate our zed's more than they already are :mad:

I got just an std derv and never been ashamed of it in comparison to any other cars which are btw more expencive and probably better in general, but performance wise you can't deny ZS has superb handling and good balance/center of gravity, which is a powerful weapon on track to those who are able and not to scared to use it. Knowing that handling is crucial quite often, I would always prefer it over the sheer power. Comparing it to scooby, yeah I'd have one, sti would be fine, but my zed I'd still keep...

Yet another thing is the design, to me it's timeless... Both mk1 and mk2. The same guy designed Mclaren F1, which is also timeless... Look a few decades in the future, who knows, cars may have no wheels for all I care, but zed would still be appealing to an eye, and that is hardest to accomplish in the design world. Who cares if people say it's dated, so is the old "E type"...

Basically, some cars, as ZS give you a feedback "Push me harder, I'll handle it, don't worry", and some others say "No you moron, you'll get us killed", no matter how expensive or how "better" they are... So, in the end the driver would be a great factor. Some cars simply give you the creeps, zed's simply don't. That's why we got this thing "believe it and you'll beat it", no matter if they're scoobys or porsches or beemers or...

[caled]

ZS give you a feedback "Push me harder, I'll handle it, don't worry", and some others say "No you moron, you'll get us killed"

pmsl best quote of the thread by far.

[-kane-]

iv never come up against a scooby in my zs yet bit i cant wait for that day... I was going to whitby in my zr and i raced a modded evo and he couldnt keep up with me on the bends but a stright he would of nailed me... Also beat a vrs up to 110mph and he was devod to see i was only in a 1.4 after the race.... This was all on the track going over 70 tho..

[Mr ZS180]

Just wanna start this post by saying that my zs is easily the best car i have owned and im not slating it in any way. Just being realistic.

In a straight line a 180 has little chance against any wrx if the driver has any degree of competence. Most wrxs left the factory with at least 260bhp and despite transmission losses this translates into straight line speed very well. Cornering is another matter though. On a track the impreza suffers massively from 4wheel understeer where the zs has massive grip levels so on a short track like brands indy the zs would **** over a wrx. On tracks with long straights, maybe like bedford, the wrx has an advantage.

One major difference between the 2 cars is the way the engine delivers the power. The 180 v6 is very rarely off the power band which is why i love it so much. Wrx engine suffer from the inevitable boost lag, although no that much, and their gearing can be awkward depending on the ratio from the factory. With the zs you know you get something special, without having to worry about these things.

On another note, my mate went to santa pod this weekend in a near standard wrx sti with 294bhp and ran a 12.9 quarter.

[Dan1971]

I've had a read back through this thread, and I can't see anyone having a go at our cars.

All there has been has been an opinion from some of us, that although we believe our cars are great - there are actually faster ones out there - that's all.

On a simple - have a look at the figures discussion - there are a lot of cars out there which will be faster in a straight line. Everyone knows that our cars handle very well, but we are a sensible bunch and some perspective needs to be taken as we are not a bunch or spotty teenagers who believe that our saxos do 150mph just because we've got an induction kit on them !

The way I see it - it's like this.

The ZS is a quality lightweight boxer - in that it's cheap as chips putting out 180ish bhp with great handling. Up against similar weighted boxers - for that read similarly priced so called sports cars - and it'll wee all over them as pound for pound it simply cannot be beaten.

Stick it in against a heavyweight boxer or an expensive car with with 300+bhp - the ZS may still be more nimble and agile - but it just ain't got enough to deliver the knockout, and will get done.

And ... that's an opinion that I have got - and can give, whether you like it or not - anywhere on this or any other forum by the way.

But - Daytona - I'm glad that you had a good safe blast around and surprised the driver of another very fast car.

[Bobdope2002]

Bit of a stupid comment!
Im stating real life situations and exsperiences. Well, call it what you want.

Just to say a 250bhp scooby wouldnt leave a zs180 for dust in a straight line. Trans loss on the scooby is about 70-80bhp.
But as said....the driver does come into it to a certain exstent.
A mate I work with has a scooby with that power and my 180 is definetly quicker, no question. He keeps asking to swap cars! He thought it was turboed untill last week......I did laugh!

Im not slating scoobys. They are great cars!....but I think people need to give the ZS a bit more credit. Sad to say that on a ZS forum!

Anyway, this is my last post here because like Ross, Im getting fed up of all the negative digs.



Im not slating the 180 in the slightest i know how good a car they are but against a sooped up subaru........no chance

Edit: Thanks for the neg rep who ever placed it theyre ive acheived my task of a red box :D :group::group::lovers::lovers::):):bow::bow:

[Ritchy]

Couldnt have put it better myself dan,


I've had a read back through this thread, and I can't see anyone having a go at our cars.

All there has been has been an opinion from some of us, that although we believe our cars are great - there are actually faster ones out there - that's all.

On a simple - have a look at the figures discussion - there are a lot of cars out there which will be faster in a straight line. Everyone knows that our cars handle very well, but we are a sensible bunch and some perspective needs to be taken as we are not a bunch or spotty teenagers who believe that our saxos do 150mph just because we've got an induction kit on them !

The way I see it - it's like this.

The ZS is a quality lightweight boxer - in that it's cheap as chips putting out 180ish bhp with great handling. Up against similar weighted boxers - for that read similarly priced so called sports cars - and it'll wee all over them as pound for pound it simply cannot be beaten.

Stick it in against a heavyweight boxer or an expensive car with with 300+bhp - the ZS may still be more nimble and agile - but it just ain't got enough to deliver the knockout, and will get done.

And ... that's an opinion that I have got - and can give, whether you like it or not - anywhere on this or any other forum by the way.

But - Daytona - I'm glad that you had a good safe blast around and surprised the driver of another very fast car.

[Bobdope2002]

I've had a read back through this thread, and I can't see anyone having a go at our cars.

All there has been has been an opinion from some of us, that although we believe our cars are great - there are actually faster ones out there - that's all.

On a simple - have a look at the figures discussion - there are a lot of cars out there which will be faster in a straight line. Everyone knows that our cars handle very well, but we are a sensible bunch and some perspective needs to be taken as we are not a bunch or spotty teenagers who believe that our saxos do 150mph just because we've got an induction kit on them !

The way I see it - it's like this.

The ZS is a quality lightweight boxer - in that it's cheap as chips putting out 180ish bhp with great handling. Up against similar weighted boxers - for that read similarly priced so called sports cars - and it'll wee all over them as pound for pound it simply cannot be beaten.

Stick it in against a heavyweight boxer or an expensive car with with 300+bhp - the ZS may still be more nimble and agile - but it just ain't got enough to deliver the knockout, and will get done.

And ... that's an opinion that I have got - and can give, whether you like it or not - anywhere on this or any other forum by the way.

But - Daytona - I'm glad that you had a good safe blast around and surprised the driver of another very fast car.

Spot on although i get neg repped for saying the same thing in my own special way

Ahh well

[rakester]

If it was a UK spec Scoob, then the 180 will pi$$ all over it, but if it is an import then either the driver just cannot get the car going or the scoob is knackered.

It really wouldn't, owned both and a UK scooby is still in the better car in almost every way. Sorry not trying to troll but I'm a real MG enthusiast and I don't feel it's bias although I've got another scooby at the moment.

[Magic]

Ex Scooby WRX owner here :)

After owning a 2002 WRX with 280 bhp for 4 years and now owning a ZS 120, I can honestly say that the ZS has surprised me in regards to handling. MGR did a great job of the suspension (if a little too hard on certain roads), the WRX is a little softer and slightly more forgiving I think and not at all track orientated, whereas the MG seems it to me, (but the classic Imprezas are more raw and lighter than the "newage" versions)

Most Impreza owners dont know how to drive them properly, so at the end of the day its down to the driver and track, but the Impreza could be a bit bulky against the ZS on some tracks.

Even though ive never driven a 180 but have driven a few other V6's, im sorry to say with equally capable drivers in the 180 and Impreza, the Impreza would win in cornering, acceleration from standstill and corner entry and exit speeds, putting the 2 head to head isnt really an equal "battle" (Touge mode on).

The ZS is a cheap and very cheerful car and im happy ive got one, even though I do miss the Scooby.

P.S. Dont race on the road, thats what tracks are for!

[grimmy]

Closing the thread as it is going nowhere.