Saloon vs hatch

[Steven11]

Afternoon all

Im still quite new to the forum so ill pick my work carefully (really dont want to offend anyone), but i need to ask. Coming from someone who has had both models i really cant see why anyone would buy the saloon. It cost slightly more new, the boot hasent got as much usable space even though it's slightly bigger. Its a heavier car, and lets be honest (the spoiler) bit of an Evo rip off if we're all going to be honest.

Being a hatch driver i keep noticing we digs at hatch drivers here and there, ive managed to bite my lip long enough and feel its time to deffend my hatch. I have also noticed when people are asking about what to buy most people recommend the saloon. Dont get it. Dont get me wrong i love all things MG and im not slagging the Saloon. Just think the hatch is a much more usable car. Ide be interested to know how many of our members drive Hatches and how many drive Saloons

Any opinions or comments welcome.

[POMPSKI]

Well I dont have the spoiler and agree it is a little over the top/rip off even if it does look good..... But I find the extra space very usable!

I frankly, find the saloon far better looking.

[Steven11]

Well I dont have the spoiler and agree it is a little over the top/rip off even if it does look good..... But I find the extra space very usable!

I frankly, I find the saloon far better looking.

Ive got the small spoiler aswell. Defo agree makes the car look more classy.

[Lukeus101]

Ive had both models too and I much prefer my hatch, much more visibility and the cabin feels more light. I still love the way the saloon looks but Id take a hatch everytime :)

[waynester]

Hatch man here, & proud of it. :)

It's not that I dislike the saloon, I quite like it.. I just prefer the shape & convenience of the hatchback. After all, it also fits the 'Hot Hatch' nomenclature.

My last point is that I had a 5 series E39 BMW saloon for the last few years, so I really wanted something different.

Peace MG brothers... :flowers:

[Fred68]

I like the look of the saloon but only if it has the extreme spoiler!! From the side it looks better imo. There is no question the hatch is more practical but it just doesn't look as good, again imo.

[Smokey]

I have chosen hatch every time, I would only ever consider a yellow mk2 hatch for some reason!

Purely looks, I love the big look and the big spoiler, especially with the mk2 body kit. I never need more space than the saloon boot provides.

It's all down to personal taste, that's why they made both!

[kev mocko]

Ive had two hatches and now got the saloon,and i found the hatch handled better for me now i have a saloon i can feel the difference,but on looks it was the big spoiler made me want a saloon as i like them with the extreme spoiler,but i loved my hatches with having the dog

[KirkJames]

Doesn't look as good imo, unless its a mk2 hatch. I never have a go at anyone with a hatch as its what you prefer and if that works for you then thats great. Generally this is a friendly forum and I haven't seen any animosity toward hatch drivers. We are here for the badge!

[WalkerDnB]

The zs is only a toy for me so practicality isnt important
I just think the saloon looks nicer and I love looking in the rear view and seeing that big spoiler :D

though to be honest after seeing some of the hatches on here im starting to like them :)

[POMPSKI]

though to be honest after seeing some of the hatches on here im starting to like them :)

Definetly, some have been made to look really stunning.

[supercover]

I love the look of the saloon, especially in Mk2 form. However a hatchback is more practical. The hatch looks fine with the big wing on it too, without its a bit too Rovery for me.

[Stev180]

I prefer the mk1 saloon (not biased at all!) I went from a 3 dr ZR 160 to the mk1 180 saloon, if I wanted a hatch I would have kept the ZR! Plus hatch looks a bit unfinished like the 3 series compact :whistle: lol

[WalkerDnB]

bit too Rovery for me.

I like things rovery :D

[petet16]

I prefer the mk1 saloon (not biased at all!) I went from a 3 dr ZR 160 to the mk1 180 saloon, if I wanted a hatch I would have kept the ZR! Plus hatch looks a bit unfinished like the 3 series compact :whistle: lol

This is why I prefer the saloon, the hatch looks like they missed a bit off the end,

Sorry hatch owners:)

[Dan1971]

I've had all of them - mk1 saloon and hatch - and mk2 saloon and hatch.

Looks wise I think each car can be unique. Standard my personal taste is the Mk2 saloon with the lip spoiler - but I far preferred my Mk1 saloon looks wise after it'd been personalised.

My Mk1 hatch now is improving as far as I'm concerned after adding/changing bits and I prefer it and others to a standard Mk2 saloon.:whistle:

To be fair though - there are some people who have a wee dig at the hatches - but no more than people have a wee dig at the yellow ones .... ;)

All good fun.

[talkingcars]

Personally I think the saloon looks more classy on the outside and feels more classy on the inside - how many executive cars are hatchbacks?

The extreme spoiler adds to the sporty looks, even on the mk1.

If I need to use a hatch back we have a ZR, a metro and a maestro (when it's running) to choose from or I can borrow a box van, 2 flatbed vans, an 18 or 26 tonne curtainsider, several 26 tonne flat beds with a crane or even 2 40 tonne wagon and drag with crane from work so I don't need the extra carrying capacity of a hatch, and I do have 2 trailers and a tow hitch on the ZS.

[Jay-ZS+]

Ive had both MK1 and 2 and Saloon definitely has the upper hand looks wise.

Also real men drive saloons! :ninja::p

[stamford]

It doesn't bother me either way, still a ZS no matter what. Before I bought my saloon I nearly bought a hatch! Saloon works for me as I prefer the big spoiler so each to their own.

[Jay-ZS+]

Oh and as far as boot space, its surprising what you can get in the saloon. Ive had car full of tools, Spare Alloys, 3m timbers, and a 2t engine crane. Its all about how to pack it in and tie the boot lid down! ;)

[WalkerDnB]

there are some people who have a wee dig at the hatches - but no more than people have a wee dig at the yellow ones .... ;)

All good fun.

So if you have a mk1 yellow hatch your in for it!! lol

[ZS]

I've had 6 ZS's 3 have been saloons and 3 have been hatches.

Personally I prefer the saloon, with two children its a much more practical car for me, if I had a dog then the hatch would be better.

I'm not sure why but I think my driving style lends itself to the saloon better, the ones I have owned certainly feel like the saloons handled better (except the Red Hatch which had Gaz Coilovers on it, so was much much better handling)

Dunno, maybe its just personal preference.

End of the day I would say that ALL the ZS's were different from each other, unique in their own ways :)

[Dav]

Also real men drive saloons! :ninja::p

Firstly, well said that man!!



though to be honest after seeing some of the hatches on here im starting to like them :)

I have to agree with you there, I'm After a red hatch for my next ZS.

But number one for me will always be a mk2 saloon, simply as that is what I had first, and I love the saloon extreme spoiler :)

[theboynoz]

Hatch, I do like the saloons but wouldn't have one.... Either way i can't fit my bloody cycle carrier so need to think about a roof rack as the bike won't go in the boot of either version without stripping the wheels off lol

[brf1976]

I personally prefer the saloon with extreme spoiler especially if its yeeeeellow :D

[theboynoz]

But number one for me will always be a mk2 saloon, simply as that is what I had first, and I love the extreme spoiler :)

Isn't the spoiler on the hatch also called the extreme spoiler, the only difference being the hatch or saloon version? I only ask as i have been told, at some point, that my hatch has an extreme spoiler and i know the scooby ish saloon version is the extreme one too......

Just asking by the way, i do not know enough about these cars yet (still!) to confirm this myself.....

[brf1976]

Isn't the spoiler on the hatch also called the extreme spoiler, the only difference being the hatch or saloon version? I only ask as i have been told, at some point, that my hatch has an extreme spoiler and i know the scooby ish saloon version is the extreme one too......

Just asking by the way, i do not know enough about these cars yet (still!) to confirm this myself.....

I thought the saloon spoiler was classed as extreme because it was scooby ish/EVO looking (although) I could be wrong)

[Dav]

Isn't the spoiler on the hatch also called the extreme spoiler, the only difference being the hatch or saloon version? I only ask as i have been told, at some point, that my hatch has an extreme spoiler and i know the scooby ish saloon version is the extreme one too......

Just asking by the way, i do not know enough about these cars yet (still!) to confirm this myself.....

Actually, yea, that's a good point, you're correct.

BRB, I need to change something ;)

[waynester]

This is why I prefer the saloon, the hatch looks like they missed a bit off the end,

Sorry hatch owners:)


What are the lyrics to the Queen song.... "fat bottomed girls, you make the rockin world go round..yeah'

;)

[Ritchy]

i liked the saloon more because it was longer, dont dislike the hatch just like saloon cars in general, liked my orion more than an escort

[Nor]

Drive and 'look at' both regularly. Saloon is a much better looking car in my view.

[WalkerDnB]

some one needs to add a pole to this thread
what zs do you own:
mk1 saloon
mk1 hatch
mk2 saloon
mk2 hatch

:)

[talkingcars]

Isn't the spoiler on the hatch also called the extreme spoiler, the only difference being the hatch or saloon version? I only ask as i have been told, at some point, that my hatch has an extreme spoiler and i know the scooby ish saloon version is the extreme one too......

Just asking by the way, i do not know enough about these cars yet (still!) to confirm this myself.....

Yes, both are known as "extreme".

i liked the saloon more because it was longer, dont dislike the hatch just like saloon cars in general, liked my orion more than an escort

Same here, jetta over golf, derby over polo, montego over maestro (although the front is different as well) etc.

Hatch, I do like the saloons but wouldn't have one.... Either way i can't fit my bloody cycle carrier so need to think about a roof rack as the bike won't go in the boot of either version without stripping the wheels off lol


I have a towball mounted cycle carrier that just clamps on or off the ball and folds to fit in the boot -also avoids scratching the car.

[talkingcars]

some one needs to add a pole to this thread
what zs do you own:
mk1 saloon
mk1 hatch
mk2 saloon
mk2 hatch

:)

Or should it be "which do you prefer" as some have had both.

[theboynoz]

Yes, both are known as "extreme".
I thought so.... thanks.


I have a towball mounted cycle carrier that just clamps on or off the ball and folds to fit in the boot -also avoids scratching the car.
Ah, a good point, but i do not have a towbar, so the roof will be my only option i fear..... Nevermind!

[talkingcars]

....Ah, a good point, but i do not have a towbar, so the roof will be my only option i fear..... Nevermind!

I fitted a towbar as much for this as for towing trailers.

[Ritchy]

i was going to get roof bars for my mountainbike, although it does just fit in the back with the front wheel off, cant get a second in though

[WalkerDnB]

Or should it be "which do you prefer" as some have had both.

yeah good point forgot some of you greedy lot have more than one zed :D

[Steven11]

i was going to get roof bars for my mountainbike, although it does just fit in the back with the front wheel off, cant get a second in though

Took my hatch to Fort William this year. folded the seats, removed the parcel shelf out stuck my mate in the front and 4 mountain bikes in the back. There's no situation the hatch isnt prepared for.

[andys1981]

only ever had two saloons,so i would say i prefer the saloon,prefer bigger cars

[Ritchy]

Took my hatch to Fort William this year. folded the seats, removed the parcel shelf out stuck my mate in the front and 4 mountain bikes in the back. There's no situation the hatch isnt prepared for.

regards fitting stuff in the back yes its easier to fit bigger items in it than the saloon, but if your not looking for that and your going on personal preferance of looks then theres not really any between them, had a huge amount of stuff in my saloon as well including a full weekend of camping kit with 2 12 man tents, a large table and a lawnmower, all in one go

[Nobrainer]

Had two mk1 hatches, but you cant fit the bonnet in there :-(

[zsserbia]

I love my saloon, but each to their own. Imo, visual appearance of any car with a bonnet this size needs a counterweight in a longer boot. The same, longer boot doesn't fit to what were ment to be small cars... When I take a look at other makes, it's all the same, all about ballance. As mentioned, beemers, to add mondeos, mercs... On the other hand, pug 206 sedan, clio sedan...

[James Raby]

I'm very much a 'saloon' person, HOWEVER seeing 'some' of the hatch models people have I'm being convinced they are nice and tasty when done well

I will poiint out though, the extreme spoiler on the ZS was released BEFORE the subaru evo spoiler as it was modelled on the ZS design ;)

[andy-81]

I'm a saloon man I like the mk1 But love the mk2 if I could sell a kidney I would buy a mk2 sat on my hospital bed lol but that's not to say I wouldn't have a hatch though

[dida4g]

I've got a hatch and love the practicality but I keep wanting to get a R45 saloon with heated seats and put my hat on the back shelf.

[WalkerDnB]

we should settle this with a top gear style challenge!!! saloon vs hatch

[Mark S]

comments about a less practical boot on a saloon, well that depends what you are trying to put in it!

Had both cars, both mk2, I can get 12 spare wheels in the back of a saloon for a trackday, something I couldn't do in a hatch.

I think the saloon is more complete in its looks, when I had the hatch I felt it was never quite as nice as the saloon - probably because the saloon mk2 looks more like the touring car than the hatch.

[pete mufc bowker]

the hatch is better on handling and lighter, and its a well proven fact ie.. when ford had the escort (hatch), and the orion (saloon), why did they make the escort rs turbo, and rs cosworth in the hatch and not saloon, when vauxhall relisead the astra (hatch) and the belmont (saloon) y did they choose the astra for the gte 16v treatment and the gsi tratment, dont get me wrong i like the look of the saloon, but the hatch win's it for me everytime, who cares about the little bit extra boot space, what the hell do u want to put in there anyway:clap:

[Steven11]

we should settle this with a top gear style challenge!!! saloon vs hatch

I second that idea :clap:

[carmadbaker]

Hatchbacks look like rovers... Saloons look like MG's ;-)

[ZS]

we should settle this with a top gear style challenge!!! saloon vs hatch

Wouldn't work unless you have two totally standard cars with the same service history and same tyres etc... otherwise one or the other will have an advantage! plus then there is driver ability...

the hatch is better on handling and lighter...

If thats the case, why is the 75 Tourer better handling than the saloon version ;)

I think it depends on the car, and in this case (in my experience of my 6 ZS's) the Saloon tips the handling stakes (unless you have upgraded suspension on the hatch) - then again it could just be down to the driver!

Hatchbacks look like rovers... Saloons look like MG's ;-)

Agreed. Solar Red Hatches with Sunroofs are Rovers, not MG's :p lol

[petet16]

The saloon shell is stiffer than the hatch so handles better, that's why the saloon went touring car racing.

The reason Ford didn't build the first Cosworth into a saloon shell is simple, the saloon Sierra wasn't available until 1987, the 3 door Cosworth was released in 1985

[Jay-ZS+]

The saloon shell is stiffer than the hatch so handles better, that's why the saloon went touring car racing.

This ^^^ If the hatch was the better handling model it would have been used by MG in the BTCC.

[Steven11]

I like to think of my Zed as a Montego on steroids.

[stamford]

In the 80s and 90s it was hot hatch all day long as that was the pocket benchmark. Saloon hot versions were aimed at families and 30 somethings. The market for hot hatches were aimed at youngsters with alot of disposable income.

When it came to rallying they preferred hatches due to the space inside for accessing parts, moving trans and engines around and the fact they were shorter hence when going sideways through a tight forest there was less chance the arse kicking ripped off.

Saloons in racing are used as the arse can take a beating due to teh rubbing going on and still compete as by the end of the race it'll look like a hatch! Therefore the rear internal structure makes it stiffer, the boot is a crush zone. If a hatch took a rear end then the roof would probably creae as well if hit hard, then again a saloon would not fair much better if hit hard! Anyone remember Sopers BMW when he took out Cleland? That was more like a Compact when it finally stopped! :laugh:

[Craig-ZS180]

I think imo that both the hatch and saloon are good in their own ways. I have a mk1 hatch, only reason being that the weekend I went to look at the 2 possible zs's the saloon one was overpriced for what it had wrong with it. (or at least seemed it at the time plus an unknown major knocking from front put me off a little with no proof of belts from new) I would've happily walked away with either car as I think as said they both can and do look fantastic but at the time it was the hatch that came up trumps for me. Also a bonus now as is easy to get the boys bike in and out of the boot easily & all extra baby gear.

I would like a saloon as and when I can afford to have one as mates have the saloon versions but I think the hatch can also look as nice if not nicer.
At the end of the day though, as long as you like what your driving does it really matter what others say..
Just my little thought on it. ZS's rock either way :dumbells:

[stamford]

To be honest if I was looking to change my zed it would be for a mk2 and probably a hatch purely because of the use for a hatch over a boot and that I have dogs as well. I nearly bought a hatch before the saloon so not swayed either way.

[Enright]

I own a Mk2 ZS hatch, and got a Mk2 R45 saloon for my Dad. They both have the same engine, so no issues there.
Before buying mine I thought that the hatch looked a bit sawn-off at the rear (a la Beemer Compact as someone else already said), but when you live with it you suddenly find yourself looking at the saloon and thinking it's a bit overly long and boat-ish!

What the ZS saloon may gain in handling due to stiffness it probably loses in practicality by the rear seats being fixed.
I also don’t like the lack of trim on inside of the boot-lid of my Dad’s 45 – it makes it sound a bit tinny and cheap when you close it.
You also have to bend down more to get stuff into and out of the furthest reaches of the boot, whereas large loads can be easily placed into and retrieved from the hatch. You can see them better too with the rear parcel shelf lifting up along with the hatch.

I have the hatch style Extreme spoiler on mine, but it can be a bit of a pain on the motorway because it goes right across your field of vision in the mirror and obscures the view of things behind. So I find myself scooching down or stretching up to try to see indicators etc (yes you DO have to be aware of what is behind as well as what’s in front)!!!

Edit: It's also nice to have the option of being able to clean your rear window to see out of it properly with the hatch's wiper - I miss it when reversing my Dad's car in the rain. And when I put mine in reverse with the front wipers on, it automatically clears my rear window for me - great when the car's covered in dew and I'm pulling out of my parking space first thing in the morning.

[Craig-ZS180]

I think whichever one I was to have, if was a saloon rather than my hatch id love the car whatever.
I love my hatch for how useable it is though and the fact that being a hatch makes it slightly different to most local zs's as they do tend to be saloons.
Wouldn't think twice about buying another one as where others have previously said the hatches are so versatile for the medium sized car they are.

[ZS]

I have the hatch style Extreme spoiler on mine, but it can be a bit of a pain on the motorway because it goes right across your field of vision in the mirror and obscures the view of things behind. So I find myself scooching down or stretching up to try to see indicators etc (yes you DO have to be aware of what is behind as well as what’s in front)!!!.

I found with the Hatch extreme spoiler (all my ZS's have had the extreme versions of the spoilers...) that the very top bit (that kinda flicks up) catches the sun perfectly, then reflects it to the rear view mirror and this in turn reflects it very nicely into my eyes... lol the only solution was to "dip" the mirror :)

[Ritchy]

the hatch is better on handling and lighter, and its a well proven fact ie.. when ford had the escort (hatch), and the orion (saloon), why did they make the escort rs turbo, and rs cosworth in the hatch and not saloon, when vauxhall relisead the astra (hatch) and the belmont (saloon) y did they choose the astra for the gte 16v treatment and the gsi tratment, dont get me wrong i like the look of the saloon, but the hatch win's it for me everytime, who cares about the little bit extra boot space, what the hell do u want to put in there anyway:clap:

Saloon supposidly has better handling because the rear brace makes it stiiffer at the back, tbh doubt theres very little difference between them round a track

[redzed]

The saloon shell is stiffer than the hatch so handles better, that's why the saloon went touring car racing.



Not true i'm afraid, on a standard shell the saloon is stiffer but also heavier, wsr spent 800 man hours making adjustments to the shell and as you see with other hatch in btcc standard shell stiffness isn't an issue as they do so much work to them. The saloon was chosen apparently for political reasons, wsr told me this because it is less like the Honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover. The hatch is lighter and has a better drag co-efficiency. the saloon is standard or near standard stiffer and apparently has less under steer. but its an age old argument which will probably never die!

[petet16]

Not true i'm afraid, on a standard shell the saloon is stiffer but also heavier, wsr spent 800 man hours making adjustments to the shell and as you see with other hatch in btcc standard shell stiffness isn't an issue as they do so much work to them. The saloon was chosen apparently for political reasons, wsr told me this because it is less like the Honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover. The hatch is lighter and has a better drag co-efficiency. the saloon is standard or near standard stiffer and apparently has less under steer. but its an age old argument which will probably never die!

I agree, which is why MGR built 2 versions of ZS, cos we all have different tastes in cars.

[Steven11]

Not true i'm afraid, on a standard shell the saloon is stiffer but also heavier, wsr spent 800 man hours making adjustments to the shell and as you see with other hatch in btcc standard shell stiffness isn't an issue as they do so much work to them. The saloon was chosen apparently for political reasons, wsr told me this because it is less like the Honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover. The hatch is lighter and has a better drag co-efficiency. the saloon is standard or near standard stiffer and apparently has less under steer. but its an age old argument which will probably never die!

How that's what i call product Knowledge. I just love this forum, theres no information MG related that you cant here. brilliant

[waynester]

We will never achieve the 'definitive' answer, purely because we will all defend our own.
A saloon owner is no more going to slag his car & praise the hatch, than hatch owners doing the same.

Had I bought a saloon I may well be standing on my soapbox shouting how great the saloon is.
I ended up with the hatch..because it was a bloody good bargain, & she looked great all polished with her straights!

For me personally..& I mentioned this earlier in this thread, I wanted to avoid the saloon because I have just spent 5 years owning an E39 BMW saloon.. so the last thing I wanted was..another saloon! ;)

I did look at a blue saloon with big extreme spoiler down in Southend, but was to much for what I wanted to pay. Plus, my mate who gave me a lift said...its trying to hard to copy a Subaru Impreza.. Not that that would have stopped me buying it had I wanted it.


I understand what the extreme spoiler on the saloon is, but what is the extreme spoiler on the hatch?
My mk1 180 rear spoiler is stepped/cranked up at each end, is that it? I'm sure I saw a smaller spoiler on a hatch before?

[Quadcam24]

if i had a pound for every time ive read " the saloon handles better cause its stiffer".....
complete rammel and proven on many tracks many times over.
Standard hatch is quicker a to b than standard saloon, having said that the difference is not worth argueing about

[Jay-ZS+]

I understand what the extreme spoiler on the saloon is, but what is the extreme spoiler on the hatch?

Saloon Extreme---------------------------------------------Hatch Extreme
http://www.aronline.co.uk/press/mgzs_2.jpghttp://www.aronline.co.uk/press/mgzs_3.jpg

Hatch Low level
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/rossc0_ti/IMG_0561.jpg

And just to confuse you further Saloon Extreme on Hatch
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/jayhowl/MK1%20120%20ZS/SC%20photoshoot/Jay-ZSOption2.jpg

[petet16]

if i had a pound for every time ive read " the saloon handles better cause its stiffer".....
complete rammel and proven on many tracks many times over.
Standard hatch is quicker a to b than standard saloon, having said that the difference is not worth argueing about

You have your opinion and I have mine, they differ.:smile2:

[WalkerDnB]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/jayhowl/MK1%20120%20ZS/SC%20photoshoot/Jay-ZSOption2.jpg

that a photo shop or has it been done?

[Jay-ZS+]

that a photo shop or has it been done?

Definitely been done, car used to be mine :laugh:

[WalkerDnB]

looks very smart that :)

[red robbo]

Saloon for me.

[talkingcars]

............wsr told me this because it is less like the honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover.............

Amen

[Quadcam24]

You have your opinion and I have mine, they differ.:smile2:

difference is my opinion is based on personal experience over some years, doing countless track days with many different zs....unless you have done the same you cannot compare, you cant push the cars to their true limits on roads and you cant drive flat out in your car with your mates in their cars on the roads either, You also have to have the same tyres, same mods etc, ive done all this testing and the hatch is very marginally quicker around a lap.

[MG 53 ZED]

Has to be the saloon for me, nowt wrong with the hatch there are some nice examples out there, i just prefer the look of the saloon.

[Jay-ZS+]

difference is my opinion is based on personal experience over some years, doing countless track days with many different zs....unless you have done the same you cannot compare, you cant push the cars to their true limits on roads and you cant drive flat out in your car with your mates in their cars on the roads either, You also have to have the same tyres, same mods etc, ive done all this testing and the hatch is very marginally quicker around a lap.

As you say 'the hatch is very marginally quicker around a lap' and 'you cant push the cars to their true limits on roads', where most use their cars, then the handling of the two could be said to be equal as your not driving to their limits anyway. So it comes back to looks, and the hatch still looks as if its missing a bit off the end! :laugh:

[zsserbia]

I wonder what Bernie and Leepu would say :rofl:

[Jay-ZS+]

I wonder what Bernie and Leepu would say :rofl:

Those two crack me up! Nutters both of them!! :laugh:

[grimmy]

Saloon ftw.

[Ritchy]

matty has the extreme extreme spoiler on his mk2 hatch too

if your in the mob you can chuck people in a saloon boot and they cant escape...win

[zsserbia]

I nearly locked myself in the boot once when trying to connect navigation unit, I remember there was enough space for +1! Defo a win for gangsters and Ross Kemp would feel more comfortable as well :clap2:

[WalkerDnB]

if your in the mob you can chuck people in a saloon boot and they cant escape...win

Nothing worse than the half dead guy in the boot kicking a hole in your parcel shelf lol
saloon for the win :D

[Ritchy]

thats it then, saloon wins:P lolol

[Lukeus101]

Saloons only win if your gary glitter...

[Ritchy]

Or alcapone:P

[ZS]

Nothing worse than the half dead guy in the boot kicking a hole in your parcel shelf lol
saloon for the win :D

Have you not noticed with the saloon that the hinges take up a bit of the space at the sides... If your head was in the wrong place while you were laying in the boot and someone slammed the boot lid... you would be a half dead guy :p lol

[Steven11]

I think its fair to say ive asked a question with no defiative answer. Bottom line is it depends on what you need from your Zed, personally i swear by my hatch but if i ever had to get a Saloon its fair to say i would love it just as much and deffend it to the death.

[redzed]

personally for me its the hatch which is better, and im not biased as i have 3 saloons and race saloons, but hatch feels more solid, a bit lighter, a bit tighter and just generally better.

[Steven11]

personally for me its the hatch which is better, and im not biased as i have 3 saloons and race saloons, but hatch feels more solid, a bit lighter, a bit tighter and just generally better.

Case closed

[stamford]

They should have made an estate, just to annoy people! :whistle:

[talkingcars]

personally for me its the hatch which is better, and im not biased as i have 3 saloons and race saloons, but hatch feels more solid, a bit lighter, a bit tighter and just generally better.
Case closed

No mate - it was closed on post 74!

[supercover]

An estate would have been great. A big missed opportunity for the HH-R range.

[pete mufc bowker]

The saloon shell is stiffer than the hatch so handles better, that's why the saloon went touring car racing.

The reason Ford didn't build the first Cosworth into a saloon shell is simple, the saloon Sierra wasn't available until 1987, the 3 door Cosworth was released in 1985

ermmm im talking about the orion vs escort, escort being hatch, orion being saloon (escort with a boot) y no orion rs turbo, or orion cosworth, ermm simple becoz the hatch, has less weight meanin quicker of the mark, better handling, same with the astra(hatch) belmont (saloon)= astra with a boot, the list goes on, the extreme spoiler looks like sumat outta the maccy d's club or for the people who wish they had a evo or subs, honda made the chassis and intendid it for a hatch, u dont see many ferrari's, lambo's, buggatis ect ect in saloon, hmmm i wounder y??? and as u say the saloon was made for touring cars, that dont mean zit, as far as i remember the proper touring cars and rally cars were hatch's, and dont mind me spelling coz ive had a few stella artois haha

[WalkerDnB]

ermmm im talking about the orion vs escort, escort being hatch, orion being saloon (escort with a boot) y no orion rs turbo, or orion cosworth, ermm simple becoz the hatch, has less weight meanin quicker of the mark, better handling, same with the astra(hatch) belmont (saloon)= astra with a boot, the list goes on, the extreme spoiler looks like sumat outta the maccy d's club or for the people who wish they had a evo or subs, honda made the chassis and intendid it for a hatch, u dont see many ferrari's, lambo's, buggatis ect ect in saloon, hmmm i wounder y??? and as u say the saloon was made for touring cars, that dont mean zit, as far as i remember the proper touring cars and rally cars were hatch's, and dont mind me spelling coz ive had a few stella artois haha

Some cars looks better as hatch backs some look better as saloons
the Orion is a ugly car Ive seen mk5 wide arch orion (cossie style) and its minging.
also I dont see many ferrari's, lambo's, buggatis in 4 door hatch form either hmmm i wounder y???

Also you didnt really need to tell people youd had a few stella artois I think we could tell that from your post!


at the end of the day some people like the hatch some like the saloon some like the mk1s most like the mk2s lol Its good to have abit variety on the forum
adds to the banter as long as you dont have one to many stellas and get abit ranty :laugh:

[pete mufc bowker]

Some cars looks better as hatch backs some look better as saloons
the Orion is a ugly car Ive seen mk5 wide arch orion (cossie style) and its minging.
also I dont see many ferrari's, lambo's, buggatis in 4 door hatch form either hmmm i wounder y???

Also you didnt really need to tell people youd had a few stella artois I think we could tell that from your post!


at the end of the day some people like the hatch some like the saloon some like the mk1s most like the mk2s lol Its good to have abit variety on the forum
adds to the banter as long as you dont have one to many stellas and get abit ranty :laugh:

haha to late for the to many stellas, but its my day of work 2mz, so im having a few lol, i was being abit of a tool when i dissed the big spoiler, coz deep down i want 1 for my zs, but ive always been a lover of hatch's, the saloon is a nice looking car but it aint for me, my ideal zs is the hatch with the face lift and the big batman lookin spoiler, but ill have to make do with mine haha:wacko:

[WalkerDnB]

haha to late for the to many stellas, but its my day of work 2mz, so im having a few lol, i was being abit of a tool when i dissed the big spoiler, coz deep down i want 1 for my zs, but ive always been a lover of hatch's, the saloon is a nice looking car but it aint for me, my ideal zs is the hatch with the face lift and the big batman lookin spoiler, but ill have to make do with mine haha:wacko:

I think you should just wack a big saloon spoiler on your hatch
looks very smart :)

[pete mufc bowker]

I think you should just wack a big saloon spoiler on your hatch
looks very smart :)

i dont think they suit the mk1's tho unless they have had the face lift, and i have no idea how much that would cost to get a front and back bumper, boot and spoiler and front grille plus headlights, any1 got any ideas lol

[WalkerDnB]

just put a mk2 front end on it and the spoiler looks awesome on every zs

[zsserbia]

They should have made an estate, just to annoy people! :whistle:

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee485/zsserbia/Rover45tourer2_zpsa87e4916.jpg


:shutup:

[WalkerDnB]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg266/scaled.php?server=266&filename=11789rover4511121zps36c.jpg&res=landing
now that looks awesome I love a good tourer :D

[Enright]

I think you should just wack a big saloon spoiler on your hatch
looks very smart :)

From seeing the pic of the blue one I have to agree - but is it just a straight bolt-on or does it need modifying to fit?

[zsserbia]

Sorry but I deleted this photo from my post for copyright reason.

[pete mufc bowker]

From seeing the pic of the blue one I have to agree - but is it just a straight bolt-on or does it need modifying to fit?

u can get them for the hatch as standerd, ive seen a few knocking about

[WalkerDnB]

Sorry but I deleted this photo from my post for copyright reason.

there you go mate :) .copyright from who anyway?

[talkingcars]

Classic rally car......

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ud5aOkKE0UQ/UAw7nzFAZiI/AAAAAAAAA2o/Xh_4V-7W2KE/s400/FORD-ESCORT-MK1-MEXICO-ML1580-8X15.jpg

Ferrari 456, a hatch?

http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/images/L-Ferrari-456-2.jpg

There aren't many hi-po sportscars with boots but there are less hatches.

[pete mufc bowker]

Classic rally car......

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ud5aOkKE0UQ/UAw7nzFAZiI/AAAAAAAAA2o/Xh_4V-7W2KE/s400/FORD-ESCORT-MK1-MEXICO-ML1580-8X15.jpg

Ferrari 456, a hatch?

http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/images/L-Ferrari-456-2.jpg

There aren't many hi-po sportscars with boots but there are less hatches.

and then i could put pics up of escort cossys, rs turbo's gte's, ect ect, but i dont know how 2 Grrrrrr:angry:

[Jay-ZS+]

From seeing the pic of the blue one I have to agree - but is it just a straight bolt-on or does it need modifying to fit?

You have to modify the spoiler, Thought I did a thread on it here but cant seem to find it :hmmm:

[zsserbia]

there you go make copyright from who anyway?

;)

[talkingcars]

and then i could put pics up of escort cossys, rs turbo's gte's, ect ect, but i dont know how 2 Grrrrrr:angry:

Show me a mk1 Escort hatch...............

[pete mufc bowker]

Show me a mk1 Escort hatch...............

who mentioned mk1's, i said rs turbo, cossy ect ect, dont think they were in mk1's:cylon:

[Ritchy]

because they where the top sellers and thats why they made the high power versions, a lot of people want a "hot hatch" because you can use it for any scenario loading washing machines in ect, but go up the next level to impreza, evo, m5 amg mercedies(excluding the new impreza) all saloons so that argument doesnt really stack up to me in regards of handling, cant really compare complete different manufacturers together and say that means that is the reason a car is quicker, like saying a escort handles better than an evo, completely different chassis ect

[WalkerDnB]

I think the reason that hatches get used in rallying is because there normally shorter and so you dont ave another 2 foot of car to clip a wall when your full on power sliding out of a corner :)

[pete mufc bowker]

because they where the top sellers and thats why they made the high power versions, a lot of people want a "hot hatch" because you can use it for any scenario loading washing machines in ect, but go up the next level to impreza, evo, m5 amg mercedies(excluding the new impreza) all saloons so that argument doesnt really stack up to me in regards of handling, cant really compare complete different manufacturers together and say that means that is the reason a car is quicker, like saying a escort handles better than an evo, completely different chassis ect

yer i get what your saying there m8, but going backwards, the chassis on the z's were initally a civic hatch, so y would u change sumat if it aint broke, granted the saloon looks more like a rover/mg, just thought when they were desining the chassis (honda) they make them to the best they can, then rover come along and slap a boot onit, so that makes me think in my opinion that the hatch is what its ment to be, where as the saloon is a added peice of boot at the back, making it heavier and more prone to fish tailing at high speed in the bends

also suberau are now in a hatch, and they have been there or there abouts in rallying for years, so y they choose the hatch and not stick with the saloon

[Ritchy]

not a lot of difference in weight tbh, and its not like its just been slapped on it has actually been designed...
dont think you can really just go off a hunch, you really need to go out and drive them both, my car doesnt fishtail about tbh

[Lukeus101]

My old saloon handled just as well as my Hatch so handling wise I doubt there is much if anything in it.

[WalkerDnB]

where as the saloon is a added peice of boot at the back, making it heavier and more prone to fish tailing at high speed in the bends

I dont have this problem does any one else with a saloon?

also the 400/45/ZS was based on the honda Honda Domani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Domani) not released in the uk which was also a saloon!! sooo :p

:smart:

[pete mufc bowker]

not a lot of difference in weight tbh, and its not like its just been slapped on it has actually been designed...
dont think you can really just go off a hunch, you really need to go out and drive them both, my car doesnt fishtail about tbh

when i said slapped on, i didnt mean 2 shadys in a back street garage, obvious its been designed for it, and yer i aint driven a saloon so dont really no what they handle like, but going from experiance, the longer the car the more prone to back end coming at the side of you and saying hello unless its a 4x4, i wanna drive a saloon now to feel what there like haha, i like the look of the saloon so dont think im dissing it, its just ive always been a hatch man, but thats just me, every man/women to there own:box: