View Full Version : My ZS T series conversion.
Well following my noob thread http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=24530
I think its time to make a build thread !
I am going to copy and paste frm the thread i started last night from Rovertech.
Well i think i am safe to create a thread now :)
I wanted to do this years ago (back when i had my Golf VR6)... i got an engine block etc from Vard when i swapped my 416 for all his T16 stuff... that block stayed on the stand and has moved house with me in the last few years :lol:
But due to a very generous forum member i got V79 UOC for a bit of work on both the cars, being really pleased to be back in a 600 after the first one i had to sell due to running costs and issues at the time (i regretted that big time)... the ZS idea got shelved and forgotten.
Fast forward a couple about 3 years... V79 got its overheat issue that drove me insane, to a point i bought another 600 lol.
Only to find that even after 4x CTS sensors, it was just a CTS issue (there seems to be loads of faulty new ones floating about)... so by now i have repaired the box on my ebay bargain Ti and its in daily use... i had no need for V79 and the rear arches where getting the old tin worm starting... but i knew now the engine is 100% OK... what to do, sell it for a few hundred quid ? or do something i wanted to do years ago... :twisted:
Well i made up my mind to a ZS... and that's what i intend to do !
So, first thing i did was remove V79s heart, it actually makes me sad to do it, but its the only way to achieve my goal soooo...
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And the customary Vard shot looking pleased (it was miserable weather)
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:lol:
After that, the nice bits like the springs,wheels,spoiler and such have been removed and sold to go towards this project.
A very unhappy looking Ti now ready to go to the scrapyard in the sky :(
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I need to get my behind in gear and ring the scrap yard on Monday as i just bought the next stage... more on that in a minute.
Right so after that i carried on putting a bit of money by every month until i found what i was after !
Its a Mk1 Mg ZS 180 saloon, not as pretty as a Mk2 given but its what i have wanted for years and they are known to be a bit better built.
This one (apparently) has its cambelt snapped.... i have not had the chance to look yet as its sat on my sister in laws drive way (had nowhere to put it), its tatty, but it is a project car after all, and i already have my mate Gary lined up to refurb the wheels and paint the bumpers and such, but the priority for the time being is to get running engine in it :)
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My younger sister in law seen here removing the rubbish monster stickers :facepalm:
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Thats kind of where it stops at the moment in terms of work actually done...
So I was going to buy the rest of the bits i needed from ebay and scrap yards, but that's a lot of hassle and expensive, and finding obscure parts would be a pain.
So today i bid and won on a 420 Gsi, this should provide all the parts i require... i have quotes on delivery (not cheap) but at least i should have everything, hopefully the 600 will be gone and the 400 in its place by the end of next week (depends when the driver can pick the car up).
So for those interested, this is what £180.00 buys you :lol:
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This will take a while, and it wont be ready for months.. but i will keep the thread updated for those that are interested, or fancy doing something like this themselves.
I also intend on making the best engine i can out of the combination of parts i have... will have 3x blocks and 2x heads to choose from, at the same time all the gaskets will be replaced etc etc.
Gearbox should be fine, i already have steel caged diff bearings in it, but i will be replacing the diff seals.
Thats all for now folks :)
My aim is to achieve a good quality conversion, i dont want massive power, and it most definalty is budget job, but with the responsibilitys i have thats only to be expected.
What im after is... standard T turbo running 12 psi and looking like it should have been there !
It would also be nice to have a few extras on the car... cruise, air con (which no one seems to bother with), leccy rear windows as Pete mentioned would be good too.
The only thing that will be rushed is the strip of the 420, i really need clear goals on all the parts i need, but the car can not stay here for long at all, i just dont have the space what with the caravan on the drive, and i also dont want complaints as i rent... so having a drive that can fit 3/4 cars plus a garage... and owning a total of 5 cars and a caravan and taking up road space is not on in my mind, i like to keep my self to myself and not get in anyones way.
So.. the 420 should be delivered Wednesday, so i need the Ti gone by then !
Interestingly when i was looking up cruise control at stupid o clock yesterday i came across this from 2009 !
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=318899
Looked a little happier then didnt it !
talkingcars
24-03-13, 08:05 PM
It did look a bit better then.
I've not come across factory fit cruise on a T before.
petet16
24-03-13, 09:18 PM
I wouldn't mind upgrading to atc, the loom all seems to be there for it, getting the condenser rad in might be a squeeze with the present i/c
It did look a bit better then.
I've not come across factory fit cruise on a T before.
Well the 420 has it...so might be worth look !
I wouldn't mind upgrading to atc, the loom all seems to be there for it, getting the condenser rad in might be a squeeze with the present i/c
What cooler ? twin pass and large, i dont recall your setup Pete.
petet16
25-03-13, 07:37 AM
Pic of the i/c
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/petet16/0_DSC_0101.jpg
Oh i see, are you using a 220 rad as well then...?
I want to use the 600 setup, but im unsure about water pipes and air con at the moment... unless i can use the 420 condenser on the 600 rad...
See, i have an over active brain right now, im trying to trouble shoot before i have even looked lol.
peterzs
25-03-13, 09:30 AM
Thanks for posting it all up, interesting project, or two.
Best of luck with it all.
:wave::wave::wave:
petet16
25-03-13, 09:48 AM
Yes, an alloy 220/420 turbo rad, it wouldn't be my first choice because turbo rads are hard to find and expensive, I think the ti rad with the i/c next to it is the best compromise.
petet16
25-03-13, 09:51 AM
Some of the questions about things like water pipes and aircon will be solved as you progress, once the engine is in, you can then see how much room you have for the rad and condenser, and also what shape coolant pipes will be needed to link it all up.
peterzs
25-03-13, 10:06 AM
Would the derv rad be any good, or is the i/c too small??
Would the derv rad be any good, or is the i/c too small??
Looking at the derv setup it looks remarkably similar to the Ti setup, the intercooler looks the same, i have been looking at that as an idea also.
I just have not looked in to it enough yet :)
peterzs
25-03-13, 10:11 AM
Only ZRed is breaking one at the moment.
;););)
petet16
25-03-13, 10:34 AM
I think noodles zs used a 45td rad and i/c on his Blue mk2 T16.
Only ZRed is breaking one at the moment.
;););)
Cool, thanks for the tip !
Somehow though i really do want the ac, i have had the Ti with ac for so long and you kinda get used to it.
Plus when i had the golf vr6, the ac did not work... so i was giving it some beans on the way home on a hot sunny day with the window half down... and to my horror, a wasp hit the window and bounced on to my lap... now im sh1t scared of wasps so i panicked and floored it to get off the duel carridgeway as quick as i could while trying to brush the damn thing off my lap... then it fell on the seat and went between my legs dangerously close to my nuts... i turned off jumped out and grabbed the closest thing to me... (a pick had randomly in the door bin), and stabbed the thing straight through the leather seat.
I vowed since then to have a car always with ac so i could keep the windows firmly closed :yikes:
I think noodles zs used a 45td rad and i/c on his Blue mk2 T16.
I will have to look at his thread again if i can find it pete !
petet16
25-03-13, 10:37 AM
Link http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=12175
Link http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=12175
Ta, so that all fits as expected... but i cant see any ac pipework actually going anywhere lol.
Top hose fits well but the a non ac thermostat soooo i may have to scour images !!
petet16
25-03-13, 11:03 AM
I don't think it had a/c.
Ah.. yeah i suppose it starting life as a 1.6 it may well not have had it.
Scrap man called about the 600... shes off tomorrow, getting £100.00 for it lol.
petet16
25-03-13, 11:28 AM
Nice work,
peterzs
25-03-13, 12:20 PM
Few more bits.
talkingcars
25-03-13, 09:10 PM
I'm not sure if this applies here but for my T16 maestro I got a radiator from a diesel as these have brass end caps instead of plastic. Trying to add fittings for the fan I managed to holed it so paid out to get it rebuilt with a high flow core.
End of an era... Ti is gone :cry:
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At least it was dignified enough that it was winched on to the truck and not grabbed with a crane...
Still, arrival of the 420 gsi expected mid morning tomorrow !
Me and Vard are hoping to get the ZS back here before the 400 arrives.
And while i was out getting a solid tow bar and foot pump my Mrs made me buy this too :w00t:
Should save laying in gearbox oil or a cold wet concrete floor :smile1:
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Right... productive day today.
Went out at a stupid hour this morning to pick up Vard, and tools etc.
Came home to find a wreck of a 420gsi on my drive :w00t:
Then we went to my sister in laws with a solid towbar and towed the ZS home :)
Zs pulled by a Ti :D
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And the ZS in its final resting place for the time being :)
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Ok, so... to the 420, well im not sorry for breaking this, its an absolute nail :lol:
Rear arches have fallen apart, full of mold etc etc.
But fair play to it, we put a good battery on it, and turned the key, and it fired up no problem, smoked quit a bit, but it looks like it has been sat for years, green moss all over it etc etc, exhaust blowing an all that, but the clutch hydraulics were all fine and it seemed to run very well, it did start on the button after that, well did.
The 420 in all its glory !
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And Vard felt it funny to stand on the bonnet :lol:
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So... at about 1pm, we went to work.
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The 420gsi has cruise control too.. so im hoping to fit that in as well.
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The aim here was to get the engine out so we could get the mounts and drive shafts etc.
Which we did :)
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And then took the customary pics of us conquering the engine bay :mrgreen:
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Thats pretty much it today, most of the loom is loose in the bay, we still need loads out of the bay and the dash needs to come out tomorrow for the loom.
One last thing we did was to take the head off the 420, i figured if it was better than the one from V79 we should use that... and im pleased to say its spot on ! not been skimmed once :w00t:
So im a very happy chappy today, if a little tired.
The head.
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Oh and a couple of more of the throttle body/cruise control.
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Thats all for now :thumbup:
petet16
27-03-13, 10:33 PM
Cruise control would be a funky add on.
One thing i read in Carmadbakers guide ... i now understand....removing the loom is most definitely the "hard but cheap way"...
No **** !
I honestly did not think it would be as time consuming as that.
But we did get it, im hoping we got it out at the right point, had to unplug it at a small orange connecter and a large blue connector behind the drivers kick panel, also two green plugs had to come out of the fuse box, all these went to the rear of the ZS.
Here is what i have !
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0399_zps5a31848b.jpg
I think i have everything i need now from the 420...
Complete engine bay loom/dash loom etc.
All engine mounts
Drive shafts
AC pipes,condenser fan.
All PAS pipes,
All water pipes.
Gear selectors complete.
If anyone can think of anything i have missed please let me know asap as i will scrap the 420 next week.
The other thing i need to double triple check is that the ZS outer CV joints will fit on to the 420 drives shafts ??
As i left the hubs on the 420.
Ok so engine bay of the 420 now.
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And the inside.
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We also stripped the rest of the bits off the 420s engine, Pas pump, water pump housing, ac compressor and the back plate its self.
Took the gearbox off as im not sure but assume now the speedo will take its drive from the gearbox...so that means im going to have to swap speedo drives out of the 400 or ZS in to the Ti box ?
Ah well, a good couple of days but man was it cold out there !
Things will slow down a little now, the 420 will be scrapped and over the next few weeks i will put together a suitable engine for the ZS.
Then i think Vard and I will have another few days and crack this job !
petet16
29-03-13, 10:09 AM
Good work form you and Vard there, the joints will swap no problem, they're the same size and the same number of splines, how many teeth are the abs rings on the 420 cv joints, did the 420 have electric rear windows, they would swap into the zs if it doesn't already have them.
Good work form you and Vard there, the joints will swap no problem, they're the same size and the same number of splines, how many teeth are the abs rings on the 420 cv joints, did the 420 have electric rear windows, they would swap into the zs if it doesn't already have them.
Yep just checked the part numbers lol, thats fine as i will use the Mg outer CVs as they apparently have just been replaced !!
I went to start taking the electric windows out of the 420... then found the ZS already has them :mml:
petet16
29-03-13, 10:25 AM
Cool, parts bin engineering, you gotta love it.
Another small thing I've just thought of is the plastic mud shield in the l/h rear wheel arch, it got deleted off the zs's at some point but should still be on the 420, it protects the fuel filler pipe.
petet16
29-03-13, 10:28 AM
oh yeah, while I remember the speedo drive is off one of the rear abs sensors on the zs I think, it is on the mk2, and I think the mk1 is the same.
oh yeah, while I remember the speedo drive is off one of the rear abs sensors on the zs I think, it is on the mk2, and I think the mk1 is the same.
Now, this is another slight concern... but, if i use all that 420 loom... then surly it would then take the speedo reading from the gearbox...
I i was to keep the ZS loom and modify it (would have to work out how first) then i could use the zs instrument cluster... and the speedo would come from the ABS ?
petet16
29-03-13, 11:15 AM
The problem I can see with taking the speed signal from the gearbox sensor is wether the zs speedo will recognize it.
The problem I can see with taking the speed signal from the gearbox sensor is wether the zs speedo will recognize it.
Oh it wouldnt.. hence why you use the 400 clocks too .. but they dont look as nice as the ZS ones.
Dan used the 400 clocks but then changed the dial faces to bring it up to date.
petet16
29-03-13, 11:39 AM
I think it would be better to use as much of the zs loom as possible, and just use the parts of the 420 loom that you need.
I didn't wire mine so I don't know how much work is involved in mixing the parts of the 2 looms.
Hmm.... im starting to think you might be right, only because i really want the ZS clocks... and i just stipped both of them down and they are totally different.
talkingcars
29-03-13, 12:42 PM
When I rebuilt the loom on my T16 conversion after the mess zippy made I noted the wiring colours and posted them on my website - http://home.btconnect.com/talkingcars/maestromods/electrics/T16engineloom.htm
The colours are different on the different models but the functions are the same, you'll just have to identify the colours in the looms you are using to get a start.
Just to further complicate matters the cars I used were both dizzy and you are working with wasted.
IIRC the actual feed to the speedo on the ZS comes from the ABS ECU which in turn takes the info from the wheel sensor. If you are using the 400 dials you will need the sensor from it's gearbox, this is different to the Ti.
Not sure how you cruise control works but if it is like the system on the KV6 which uses the same engine bay components there will be a couple of control modules and lots of wiring in the loom so this might sway me to use that loom as much as possible.
Have you taken the exhaust off the 400 or are you using the one from the Ti?
I would be tempted to take the door cards from the 400, especially if the ones in the ZS don't have the colour panels. Also the rear winders and looms are worth taking as you'll be able to sell them.
Exhaust will be the standard (well stainless) ZS 180 with a Ti downpipe, apparently all that needs doing is a 3inch extension on the downpipe to mate with the standard Cat.
The only other option is simply not to fit cruise.... i would rarely use it, i just think it would be nice to have as much spec as possible !
Cheers for the link, i will go and have a look in a sec :smile1:
petet16
29-03-13, 01:27 PM
The exhaust is pretty straightforward, I used the Mongoose off my R8 420, a Cookie downpipe with the flange removed, and a 100 cell Jetex cat, just enough to pass emissions and not soak up too much power.
Malteser
30-03-13, 06:30 AM
Looks like a cracking conversion so far mate! Reminds me when I threw the Isuzu 1.7L TD in my Rover 414. Pain in the rear but well worth it in the end.
By any chance, the rear windows weren't electric as well were they? :)
Looks like a cracking conversion so far mate! Reminds me when I threw the Isuzu 1.7L TD in my Rover 414. Pain in the rear but well worth it in the end.
By any chance, the rear windows weren't electric as well were they? :)
On the 400 ? Yeah, electric rears, but the zs already has them !
Malteser
30-03-13, 06:38 AM
Yeah...I used that lump when my HG blew on my 1.4L. Parts for them are cheaper and easier to get here in Malta. Here is a link to my build thread on another forum for my car (havent written one yet for the engine refit):
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=491699
If you can't see the pictures let me know and I will throw it on here.
You wouldn't be willing to sell those rear door looms, mechanisms, and connectors to the centre console would you? :D
Yeah...I used that lump when my HG blew on my 1.4L. Parts for them are cheaper and easier to get here in Malta. Here is a link to my build thread on another forum for my car (havent written one yet for the engine refit):
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=491699
If you can't see the pictures let me know and I will throw it on here.
You wouldn't be willing to sell those rear door looms, mechanisms, and connectors to the centre console would you? :D
Christ that looks like a lot of work !
Um, if i can get the regulators out with no battery fitted, and if i can find the switches, basically we started to to take the rear switches and panels out... then i noticed the ZS had them already... so i have no idea what happened to the switches, they are probably in the car somewhere lol.
If i get a chance i will have a look and see what i can do.
Malteser
30-03-13, 07:19 AM
Sounds good bud. For the regulators, unhook them from the loom and use a car battery to move them up and down with wire from the terminals on the battery to the pins on the motor. Let me know if you need help with anything!
Good luck with the conversion!
did the 400 have heated seats?
Drew
did the 400 have heated seats?
Drew
No, thats the only thing it did not have.
Went out to have a play with the ZS seeing as i had not touched it yet.
This was more for Petes benefit than mine lol, he wanted to know what was up with the v6.
One of the first things i did was put a battery on it and turned the key (had not tried that yet !
It went CLUNK :slap:
So, description said snapped belt.... so after removing some stuff !
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I concluded that all belts where actually present and correct, though a little slack and contaminated.
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I had taken note that there was a lot of oil under the car, and i thought it may be worse than belts.... i was right :yes:
I found these around the under tray and on the oil cooler.
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So i removed the bolts holding the oil cooler on and found what i thought i might see.. a hole in the block right behind the ac compressor.
So, not the first time i have heard of this happening, fresh oil and filter change, them it chucked a rod... i don't know why this happens ?
I suspect the rear head will be ok to sell on, dont know on the inlet manifold as i have never heard it run.
Same with the alternator and such.
I also removed the engine wiring harness in case i go down the modifying route.
So this is how it looks now.
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petet16
30-03-13, 03:47 PM
I think that might be terminal:slap:
I think that might be terminal:slap:
Yeah lol... thought it might be !
Not fussed tbh, good excuse to give it the T16 really.
Now whip the lump out!!
:spank:
I think that might be terminal:slap:
Nah, bit of gaffa tape and silicone, it'll be reet!!!! lol
Cheers
Dave
Now whip the lump out!!
:spank:
Your one to talk lol.
I will slowly take bits off this, i cant get the engine out until Vard returns with a crane.. hence why i will be concentrating with the T16 over the next few weeks.
This was more because sun was out, and i was interested to see what had gone wrong with it.
petet16
30-03-13, 04:10 PM
I'm thinking it has thrown number 1 rod, no idea why though.
I'm thinking it has thrown number 1 rod, no idea why though.
Yup... thing is, it doesn't seem like a rare problem, i have read a fair few posts suggesting that conrod failure is most likely to occur just after and oil and filter change (which this had just had).
Strange but true.
petet16
30-03-13, 04:21 PM
Weird, I have heard of a few zt v6's doing it, but not zs's.
I wonder what the oil change has to do with it ?
Some are saying if the filter is not primed it causes issues... but im rather skeptical, every one i have read about so far though has had a service with in a month or so..
Mine lasted the last owner about a week after a service, clutch, slave cylinder and cv joints...
As i said, receipt for over £500.00 in January !!
The standard of work is erm a little rubbish though, a bell housing bolt is sticking out underneath, cable ties holding the Slave cylinder to its bracket, random odd bolt in the pas pump pulley.. stuff like that.
petet16
30-03-13, 04:33 PM
Very odd, I usually prime the filter, then pull the fuel pump relay and whizz it over on the starter to put the oil light out, but I wouldn't expect not doing that to have such drastic results.
At least you've scored some brand new bits to re-use.
Yeah, random bolts fitted or missing shows a lack of attention to detail, not good.
Malteser
03-04-13, 07:13 PM
Hey din. Wondering if you have had a chance to check about the windows yet buddy. Thanks.
dollysprint
03-04-13, 09:31 PM
Any of the 180 bits that you dont need could you pm me, I may be interested as I'm building a 180 race car for my son and you can never have too many spares. Would also be interested in some trim bits off the 420 and even the heater if you got it out whole.
On a seperate note seeing your pictures of the houses and green brought back some memories, I grew up there.
Dave
Well... i have not done much so not much to report really.
Im still waiting for the logbook for the 420 so i can scrap it :roll: (and get another £100.00 in the pot).
But Lisa has done some overtime for me so i should have another £150.00 by friday, plus the £100.00 from the 420, so will be back up over the £400.00 mark in the next few days :D
Worryingly i worked out how much it has cost so far and im almost at a grand :o ... but with sales of parts and scrapping im back to around the £500.00 area... so not bad :thumbup:
What i have started is to do the head rebuild on the 420 head, i want to use this head as its by far the best i have, V79s had been skimmed twice by me and suffered numerous overheats, though it still worked well !
But the 420s head looks like it has never been off or skimmed :mrcool:
So i went out last night and started taking manifolds and such off.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0426_zpsf9d81a28.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0426_zpsf9d81a28.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0427_zps0f75c1ea.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0427_zps0f75c1ea.jpg.html)
Then today i took it to work, we happen to have a brand new and totally virgin parts washer !
So i thought i would make some use of it at lunchtime :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0431_zpsb4242e6c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0431_zpsb4242e6c.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0432_zpsadbb9916.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0432_zpsadbb9916.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0433_zps83711d8f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0433_zps83711d8f.jpg.html)
Lots to do yet, but im hoping to give the head a full rebuild by saturday.
Also, i had these turn up via interlink last week.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0430_zpsc26d3005.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0430_zpsc26d3005.jpg.html)
Plus im waiting on the genuine anabolic sealant for the cam ladders i ordered last night.
Basically, watch this space :lol:
Also i have an image in my head...
I stole this from google earlier... i like that look a lot... thoughts :mrgreen:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/1417736-1_zps9caa5fca.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/1417736-1_zps9caa5fca.jpg.html)
Got the head skimmed at last minute today !
Really chuffed, doesnt look like he took much off it either, total cost of £20.00 cash :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0434_zps60ccc1aa.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0434_zps60ccc1aa.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0435_zpsc9f1233f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0435_zpsc9f1233f.jpg.html)
Also, at last... got the log book back for the 420, so i can scrap that now :)
Will continue with the head rebuild tomorrow :D
petet16
19-04-13, 08:05 PM
Just a whisker to clean the face
Ok i had hoped to get the head finished on Saturday... but its a time consuming business cleaning and lapping in valves.
At least the weather was nice, so i could sit outside on the patio
Unfortunately doing this kind of thing at home makes it an even longer process, what i had forgotten about was removing stem seals...and they where well in there, i tried the old 14mm socket and hammer approach, but i got the damn seal stuck in the socket and no way to remove it :lol:
So i went to machine mart... nope ! Halfords... nope.. motorsave, nope, not one of these shops had stem seal pliers, hell no one knew what i was on about when i asked :? yet they had valve spring compressors.. dolly sticks and grinding paste, piston ring compressors... anyway :x
So i went to work at 1pm, and not one person had any... but there was a special tool for Vag stuff that was on the wall which one of the older guys showed me, looked like it could work so swiped it and went back home.
Said tool being a slide hammer type affair... it worked :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0436_zpsad652c3f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0436_zpsad652c3f.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0437_zps60c1e4af.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0437_zps60c1e4af.jpg.html)
While i was out i decided to buy myself one of these !
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0438_zpse4b6e0bd.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0438_zpse4b6e0bd.jpg.html)
Makes like much easier with recommended speed of 900rpm :lol: though the exhaust valves still take time, the inlets where done in less that 5 seconds.
New stem seals now fitted and valves sitting in there, but only one valve spring actually fitted as it was getting late and i needed to cut the grass and light the bbq :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0439_zps331e1b42.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0439_zps331e1b42.jpg.html)
Hey din. Wondering if you have had a chance to check about the windows yet buddy. Thanks.
Quite honestly... i looked in to it and it looked a nightmare load of stuff to rip out to get all the parts you would need mate, and time being what it is i decided not to remove it all, the car is full of scrap too lol.
Any of the 180 bits that you dont need could you pm me, I may be interested as I'm building a 180 race car for my son and you can never have too many spares. Would also be interested in some trim bits off the 420 and even the heater if you got it out whole.
On a seperate note seeing your pictures of the houses and green brought back some memories, I grew up there.
Dave
Again... i think i did take the heater box out whole... i will look in the morning and rescue it if i have a chance before work... the car is going tomorrow afternoon at last as i have the logbook now and the extra space is needed to get one of the cars off the road lol.
Wont have much spare from the 180... but i most likely will have cylinder heads if they are ok, passable gearbox and a almost brand new slave cylinder... oh and the rad and stuff.
You lived around here ? where abouts ?? i rent this house and have lived in it for around two years :smile1:
400 has left my drive... and i am £100.00 richer !
petet16
22-04-13, 08:28 PM
Good news, sure you got everything off it that you needed:laugh:
Good news, sure you got everything off it that you needed:laugh:
I hope so lol... enough to be going on with at least :trampoline:
Again not a lot to report, but i have now finished the head (pretty much)... sat down in the front room after work yesterday and put it all together :mrgreen:
Next weekend im going to start removing parts from V79s engine and get it off the stand... then put my low mileage block on there and start putting bits on it :)
Couple of pics of the head now its all in one piece :)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0480_zpsc8662424.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0480_zpsc8662424.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0485_zpsabd1f917.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0485_zpsabd1f917.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0483_zps82f2bfc0.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0483_zps82f2bfc0.jpg.html)
Oh and on another note, i said before the car never had an mg badge on the back.. just a silly Chinese style ebay chrome dragon on the boot lid.
So i bought a rather faded but correct badge for the boot (£1.70), then bought a couple of gel style inserts from ebay for £2.99, its not actually stuck on yet, i just offered it up to get a pic, but im well pleased with it :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0472_zps0a6e3c91.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0472_zps0a6e3c91.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0468_zpse518aa7f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0468_zpse518aa7f.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0469_zpsfcd859bf.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0469_zpsfcd859bf.jpg.html)
Hopefully will be able to give some better updates next week.
petet16
28-04-13, 10:41 AM
The new badge looks good.
The new badge looks good.
Yeah, im really pleased with it ! i have one for the front too as that has faded and someone has painted it black... looks rubbish.
petet16
28-04-13, 10:53 AM
Good plan, the original badges fade really badly, I got some enameled ones which seem to be a bit more durable.
Did some painting last night... :)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0488_zps743f0323.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0488_zps743f0323.jpg.html)
It turned out ok for me (i lack the patience for cleaning and painting really) :lol:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0506_zps5b6f884c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0506_zps5b6f884c.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0505_zpsbc5f5873.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0505_zpsbc5f5873.jpg.html)
V79s block has now been stripped of its ancillarys ready to take off the stand.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0501_zps935b9a1d.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0501_zps935b9a1d.jpg.html)
And the other block has had a fresh coat of paint (decent paint this time), its a work in progress as the back needs doing yet, and the core plugs are going to be replaced if they every turn up :roll:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0500_zps8ec975dd.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0500_zps8ec975dd.jpg.html)
Also some what annoying is V79s clutch... its only about 1000 miles old... :annoy:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0498_zps3fbc21de.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0498_zps3fbc21de.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0499_zps55b5152b.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0499_zps55b5152b.jpg.html)
So looks like a new one again... if anyone can recommend one that wont judder... and wont break in 5 minutes and is a sensible price i would appreciate it :lol:
Not much change this week, but i did fit the head to the freshly painted block last week along with a new oil pump.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0517_zps058cd42a.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0517_zps058cd42a.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0516_zps6097a0f3.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0516_zps6097a0f3.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0515_zpsde3b760c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0515_zpsde3b760c.jpg.html)
Had leave it there due to no new core plugs or clutch.
But i now have these :)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0522_zps35956fa3.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0522_zps35956fa3.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0526_zps9bd492a8.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0526_zps9bd492a8.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0527_zps7e85484c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0527_zps7e85484c.jpg.html)
Clutch looks ok, old box and slight surface rust but most definitely new, bargain there i think :thumbup:
petet16
11-05-13, 07:58 AM
Good buy that, gonna paint it Red:p
peterzs
11-05-13, 08:02 AM
Great to see all the work going on, looking like a motor now.
Glad the bits turned up OK.
Bet you cant wait for the installation and start up.
:smile1::smile1::smile1:
Good buy that, gonna paint it Red:p
:yawn:
Great to see all the work going on, looking like a motor now.
Glad the bits turned up OK.
Bet you cant wait for the installation and start up.
:smile1::smile1::smile1:
Yeah, it is coming along well !
Im hoping installation will be in the next 2 weeks ! but then i will have to deal with a loom... will defiantly be good to hear it run (hope to god the bottom end is good :laugh:
Thanks for the kind comments on the state of the engine... at least someone appreciates the red paint :tease:
peterzs
11-05-13, 08:14 AM
Been following the posts with interest, may be not many comments, but bet a lot are waiting for the Big Turn on.
Painted my AP calipers on the TF, red of course.
So can appreciate the work thats gone into yours. I didnt bother getting the MG and the lines, on the top, back to shiny alloy.
Yours will look good when its all back and going.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
petet16
11-05-13, 08:17 AM
:laugh:
I didnt bother getting the MG and the lines, on the top, back to shiny alloy.
Flat block and some sand paper :smile1:
I think actual fire up is some way off, lots to do once the lump is in, not just the loom.
I have so many thoughts about how the hell to get the ac plumbed in... but i think im just going get the engine and box in and on there mounts and go from there...
And the cooling fans... im sure the condenser fan from the 420 will be fine but the cooling fan might be in the way of the turbo...
I would like to use the oe zs fans,but again i have no idea yet !
peterzs
11-05-13, 08:37 AM
Paint - Sounds easy put like that.
I'll have a bash next time the wheels are off!!!
Sure you will sort it all out, re the plumbing in and fans.
Always makes me wonder how they get the V8 engines in the MGB's. Never looks enough room. Suppose it has a biggish engine bay, when you look at the 1.8 B series engine, that is usually in there.
talkingcars
11-05-13, 09:28 AM
Are you fitting a intercooler and if so where?
If you are keeping the ZS rad and condenser and then a FMIC you will either have to leave a gap for the ZS fans or fit them on the back.
Don't do what numpty did on my maestro conversion and wedge the fan between the S series 1600 rad and the turbo, to make it worse it was the O series 2.0i fan that blows from the front and he had it on the suck side so that it would blow from the engine bay forwards.......
petet16
11-05-13, 10:12 AM
Are you fitting a intercooler and if so where?
If you are keeping the ZS rad and condenser and then a FMIC you will either have to leave a gap for the ZS fans or fit them on the back.
Don't do what numpty did on my maestro conversion and wedge the fan between the S series 1600 rad and the turbo, to make it worse it was the O series 2.0i fan that blows from the front and he had it on the suck side so that it would blow from the engine bay forwards.......
lol, was it wired with Scotch Loks as well
Are you fitting a intercooler and if so where?
If you are keeping the ZS rad and condenser and then a FMIC you will either have to leave a gap for the ZS fans or fit them on the back.
Don't do what numpty did on my maestro conversion and wedge the fan between the S series 1600 rad and the turbo, to make it worse it was the O series 2.0i fan that blows from the front and he had it on the suck side so that it would blow from the engine bay forwards.......
I was going to use the 420gsi condenser and pipework, this has the condenser fan fitted in front, then i was going to fit the 620ti rad and intercooler behind and use the 420 gsi cooling fan on it, but if the ZS fans will fit front of the 420gsi condenser it might make for neater job... but im just gonna have to play about once the Kv6 is out of the ZS.
talkingcars
11-05-13, 10:46 AM
lol, was it wired with Scotch Loks as well
No but other bits were or just twisted together, sometimes with insulation tape, sometimes not!
Right, core plugs done 8)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0530_zps10b99b90.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0530_zps10b99b90.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0532_zpsba7ff154.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0532_zpsba7ff154.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0533_zps4d6d1300.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0533_zps4d6d1300.jpg.html)
Thats a new rear main oil seal obviously as well :)
Then i got a little carried away doing stuff.
Fitted stainless exhaust manifold studs and new gasket.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0536_zps0040fed5.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0536_zps0040fed5.jpg.html)
Fitted new rocker cover gaskets and stainless bolt kit :mrgreen:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0538_zps194a2609.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0538_zps194a2609.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0537_zps6760ac51.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0537_zps6760ac51.jpg.html)
Then the gearbox adapter plate and flywheel so i could time up the engine, i need to fully tighten the flywheel bolts but i only had limited tools at home today.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0547_zpsed347944.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0547_zpsed347944.jpg.html)
New cam-belt and tensioner.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0543_zps4156d1ad.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0543_zps4156d1ad.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0542_zpsedff310c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0542_zpsedff310c.jpg.html)
Last but not least i thought i would hang the exhaust manifold and turbo on the front, again these need to be torqued up properly and new gaskets fitting on the turbo drain.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0546_zps22bd668b.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0546_zps22bd668b.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0551_zpsf2189956.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0551_zpsf2189956.jpg.html)
All i have to do now is clean up the water pump housing etc and get that fitted along with the clutch and gearbox, ill get that done later next week :)
petet16
11-05-13, 05:12 PM
Do you fit core plugs dry, or with a smear of sealant Dan ?
Do you fit core plugs dry, or with a smear of sealant Dan ?
I put a smear of blue hylomar around the holes and then knocked in the core plugs.
Most where in A1 condition mind you, only the one behind the adapter plate had some pitting on the back.
petet16
11-05-13, 05:55 PM
hylomar was my choice as well, still water tight after 18 months.
peterzs
11-05-13, 06:48 PM
All coming together nicely, good luck with the last bits.
:yes::yes::yes:
On the basis of this being neat and tidy i have ordered the diesel fan setup... its basically the same as the 420 one but with x2 fans on the front rather than just the one, on the 420 there is a puller fan on the back of the rad, but im thinking that what with a turbo charger in the way and a thicker rad i doubt it would actually fit... also i have no idea if the ZS 180 fans would fit, but i do know they would be very restrictive in terms of air flow for the standard intercooler.. so it makes sense i think.
This is one of Chazs pics but i will save them in case he deletes it lol.
http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i392/ZR_CH4Z/620%20ti/IMG-20130512-01956.jpg
Did quite a bit today.
Fitted the clutch.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0561_zps49ad213a.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0561_zps49ad213a.jpg.html)
New diff seals fitted.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0565_zpsb0c90374.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0565_zpsb0c90374.jpg.html)
I then decided to build a kind of mock up to see if the AC stuff from the 420 would fit ok.
The only thing i have had to do so far is modify the heat shield for the turbo... with a hammer :lol: the pipe fouled the shield, it was fine with no heat shield, loads of room, but i wanted to keep it !
Glad to say so far so good, i just need to wait and see if the boost pipe clears the pipes when its all bolted up in place.
Modded heat shield.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0570_zpsf79cad59.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0570_zpsf79cad59.jpg.html)
Pipes at the side of the intercooler.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0571_zps922684a8.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0571_zps922684a8.jpg.html)
And my garage mock up :lol:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0576_zps1892b95c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0576_zps1892b95c.jpg.html)
The only negative is that i seem to have lost an alternator... and the large boost pipe i had (uncut) from cooler to tb, how on earth i have managed this i dont know, the alternator on it now is the 420 one, but the bearings are a little noisy so i may get another one, the only other thing i need is a non leaky Pas pump... i thought the 420 one would be ok, but it seems like it has been leaking as badly as the Ti one :(
If anyone has a pas pump or known very good alternator (air con Ti/420) then could you let me know asap please ! (Paspump MUST be leak free and alternator clean and tidy with good bearings and known fully working ! i may buy a new one yet but funds are running a little low now until payday.
Hopefully, i will have a good stab at removing the V6 from the Zs tomorrow :)
talkingcars
16-05-13, 09:44 PM
I solved the PAS pump problem by having a non PAS rack on my maestro.
I solved the PAS pump problem by having a non PAS rack on my maestro.
Thats cheating :tease:
New alternator...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280848142491?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Pas pump gasket.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181138435655? ... 1423.l2649
Hopefully these will solve my other issues... now i really need payday lol.
petet16
17-05-13, 07:17 AM
Nice mock up, you just need to lower the zs over it and bolt everything up.
peterzs
17-05-13, 09:09 AM
getting there, hope you find the bits OK.
:wave::wave:
getting there, hope you find the bits OK.
:wave::wave:
If not I will play swapzies with my ti lol.
Spent most of my day undoing bits from the Kv6...
Resulting in...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0584_zpse2d98c16.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0584_zpse2d98c16.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0588_zpsfc71bd07.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0588_zpsfc71bd07.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0579_zpsc3a88240.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0579_zpsc3a88240.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0587_zpsc1df5c13.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0587_zpsc1df5c13.jpg.html)
Right, i have hit a snag.
The issue is the 600 intercooler and rad setup.
Take a look at the Mk2 that was on ebay recently.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mgzs-180-mk2-2-0-turbo-230bhp-/290911790677?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D7531383447009991763%26pid%3 D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D290911790677% 26&nma=true&si=gG9mkshNax8FQb%252F9D8WMI3Feoh0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
You will notice if you zoom in that the top bracket does not fit any OE mounting holes, as such it has been drilled and self tapped on, and there is no bracket for the intercooler.
Also the bottom mounts don't line up either, again you could remove one mount move it over and again, drill and self tap it in place... or weld it ! but its not as neat as it could be imo.
But the biggest issue is AC related :slap:
The issue is the the exit of the boost pipe to TB points towards the inner wing, thus exiting directly below the receiver drier and fouling all AC pipes...
Really wanted to use the nearly new 600 rad too :no:
The solution would appear (again) to be a diesel set up.
The intercooler may look the same, but its not, the boost hose exits in the other direction completely !
Ok so i would have to adapt or go after market for the boost pipes... but i would rather that and have a decent secure rad and space for the AC components...
Also i will have to lengthen the lower water hose, but i reckon i can manage that with an extra length of pipe and a join ( donor 420 hoses look promising).
I need to check out Noodles ZS thread again as he used diesel stuff.
petet16
18-05-13, 04:35 PM
I see the problem, could you use your ti rad with a 420 diesel i/c.
When I modified the rad frame for the 220 turbo rad I made 2 new brackets to locate the top of the rad to the panel by the headlights
I see the problem, could you use your ti rad with a 420 diesel i/c.
When I modified the rad frame for the 220 turbo rad I made 2 new brackets to locate the top of the rad to the panel by the headlights
I looked in to that, the issue being now that i/c exits the other way, it would foul the outlet for the Ti rad.
You can see this with the following pics.
This is a 420 TD setup
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/KGrHqZqYEnW6C9B5BQM7rlv4g60_12_zpscec34bd7.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/KGrHqZqYEnW6C9B5BQM7rlv4g60_12_zpscec34bd7.jpg.htm l)
Again, 420 td Rad.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/420tdrad_zps29731a42.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/420tdrad_zps29731a42.jpg.html)
Compared to the Ti Rad, as you can see the outlet is right in the way as far as i can see !
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/Tirad_zps20a8e33f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/Tirad_zps20a8e33f.jpg.html)
petet16
18-05-13, 05:11 PM
Yeah, 420td i/c with a ti rad isn't going to work really is it.
petet16
18-05-13, 05:14 PM
Or could you fabricate a couple of plates to move the 420 i/c so it is a bit further away from the rad and not obstructing the bottom outlet.
Done nothing recently.
I have a gasket to sort the pas pump now, i also have a new alternator.
ZS diesel Rad and intercooler turning up tomorrow too.
But its going to be raining apparently.
I have spent my day trying to make sense of the wiring diagrams.
I know its been said "its only a couple of multiplugs" yeah, right !
All i have after a day is a few pages of connecters and what each wire is supposed to do.
I have no idea on the fans yet either, as the Siemens ecu outputs a pulse width modulated signal on one wire which is interpreted by the fan modules the 180s have behind the bumper... you cant just trigger the relay as you could in a K series loom.
In fact im starting to think the 1.8 k would have been much easier to do as its a lot more similar being mems already.
Its either that or the 420 loom is going in, it may be hard work... but at least it will all just work ! from the AC to the cruise as and when i want to fit it... the ONLY downside is the instrument cluster... that is the only negative i can find.
petet16
23-05-13, 08:42 PM
It rained here today, brought my heated screen project to a stop, but on the upside some tasty engine bay eye candy arrived today.
Is Dan an option for the loom ?.
It rained here today, brought my heated screen project to a stop, but on the upside some tasty engine bay eye candy arrived today.
Is Dan an option for the loom ?.
I had a brief facbook chat with Dan, he said he would run me through it tomorrow when he was on his computer rather than his phone.
If that happens, i will give it a go of course (assuming it all makes sense).
If not im gonna go in carmadbaker stylee and swap the lot, then get the dials updated at a later date !
petet16
23-05-13, 09:15 PM
I'm sure once Dans run you through it all will become clear.
Rad and intercooler issue overcome 8)
All pipe work test fitted :)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0618_zps78a7b448.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0618_zps78a7b448.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0617_zps43d9bc5e.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0617_zps43d9bc5e.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0614_zps3bcc95a1.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0614_zps3bcc95a1.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0663_zpsa416c793.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0664_zpsc4f33ab8.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0666_zps1c3d0712.jpg
I have no broadband and phonelines dead... Its not a runner and there is still loads to do... But it's progress.
Broadband service resumed !!!
Bt had inadvertently disconnected the line while doing maintenance... took them 6 hours to find and fix it.
Lack of time is irritating !
simply have not had the time !
basically... me and Vard got board looking at diagrams... and said, balls... put the 400 loom in.
This in itself is a major challenge, and incredibly time consuming...
But im halfway through putting the dash back in at the moment..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0676_zps1dafcf6e.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0676_zps1dafcf6e.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0701_zps3001f0d1.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0701_zps3001f0d1.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0702_zps18f4bca8.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0702_zps18f4bca8.jpg.html)
Also... when carmadbaker said "label everything"... he was right !
What the hell are these for lol.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0693_zps6153c265.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0693_zps6153c265.jpg.html)
Also, the clock has a completely different plug on it, i presume this is simply because the old 400 type clock got inf from the radio as well... i think i will just dispense with those other wires and just use the four i need (colours match up).
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0698_zps4b0e6326.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0698_zps4b0e6326.jpg.html)
One other thing... there is a pink wire that comes out the 5as unit (grey plug)... that someone had twisted and taped a wire too... god knows what thats for ????
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0697_zpsef06ef84.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0697_zpsef06ef84.jpg.html)
Oh, and before i put the engine in i also swapped my speedodrives over.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0658_zps83305d07.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0658_zps83305d07.jpg.html)
And replaced my pas pump gasket.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0659_zpsa020fae2.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0659_zpsa020fae2.jpg.html)
Dunno if the pas pump is gonna be ok (i have another if not) because i kinda dropped or while getting the keyway for the waterpump off.... there are lots of little parts in there ! had to grab a youtube vid of a guy rebuilding a landrover pump to see how it all went back together :whistle:
Anyway, i need another good weekend on it to make some real progress, but i was working as was Lisa this weekend, so i only had a couple of hours yesterday which i spent doing the heater controls and dash.
Im handing in my notice at work tomorrow though :whistle: and i know i have a days holiday to use... so i may try for another long weekend before i leave to get this a bit more up together :yes:
petet16
09-06-13, 04:04 PM
Good work, I had the engine bay loom in pieces this week, the alternator charging cable had 3 joins hidden between the alternator and starter motor, not bad for a piece of wire 5 feet long, mostly back together now, but I ran out of useable split conduit.
Finding the time is a pita, I'm not working at the moment so it isn't a big problem.
Handing in your notice ?, I thought you'd not been there long.
Handing in your notice ?, I thought you'd not been there long.
Thanks pete !
Um, no your right, I have not been at Vw long... 7 months, but I'm just not enjoying it really, the workshop I'm in is old and not very well lit, they have tried to spruce it up a little with fresh paint but it's still not great.
The product.... Is light years behind BMW in terms of tech and quality, very bland and not overly interesting.
And as per usual, management sucks... They shut the other local Vw place as the just spent 2 million on our place at Vw s request... So now we have more techs and more managers... So, one workshop controller, one service manager, one deputy service manager, one aftersales manager, and a generall manager... As you can imagine, they clash a lot, and it feeds back to us... The lack of organization is laughable tbh.
Obviously it's not facebookable untill end of play tomorrow, as I plan to do the deed in the morning.
But I have been made a slightly better offer by Mercedes benze.. an extra days holiday, almost another grand (enough to cover pension payments and not effect my wage) (never had a pension and I'm 28)... Oh and private health care again (was very usefull when I needed my apendix out).
So I can't see any reason to stay at Vw really lol.
petet16
09-06-13, 06:27 PM
Strikes me there's too many managers, all the best with MB though.
welshone
09-06-13, 06:27 PM
Thanks pete !
Um, no your right, I have not been at Vw long... 7 months, but I'm just not enjoying it really, the workshop I'm in is old and not very well lit, they have tried to spruce it up a little with fresh paint but it's still not great.
The product.... Is light years behind BMW in terms of tech and quality, very bland and not overly interesting.
And as per usual, management sucks... They shut the other local Vw place as the just spent 2 million on our place at Vw s request... So now we have more techs and more managers... So, one workshop controller, one service manager, one deputy service manager, one aftersales manager, and a generall manager... As you can imagine, they clash a lot, and it feeds back to us... The lack of organization is laughable tbh.
Obviously it's not facebookable untill end of play tomorrow, as I plan to do the deed in the morning.
But I have been made a slightly better offer by Mercedes benze.. an extra days holiday, almost another grand (enough to cover pension payments and not effect my wage) (never had a pension and I'm 28)... Oh and private health care again (was very usefull when I needed my apendix out).
So I can't see any reason to stay at Vw really lol.
I see this being a theme with VW. I work in the parts side of things and the way the management and structure of things goes it's laughable.
Which dealer do you work at ? And is it inchcape lol.
http://db.tt/6iBpaIv2
Nuff said.
petet16
16-06-13, 01:33 PM
Jonny 5................alive
Jonny 5................alive
Hahahahahaha ! classic film :cool2:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0711_zps15913366.jpg
Dash is back in to incidentally.
I ordered a couple of pipe joiners too so I can see if I can get some boost pipes linked up.
maxtherotti
19-06-13, 06:36 AM
Thanks pete !
Um, no your right, I have not been at Vw long... 7 months, but I'm just not enjoying it really, the workshop I'm in is old and not very well lit, they have tried to spruce it up a little with fresh paint but it's still not great.
The product.... Is light years behind BMW in terms of tech and quality, very bland and not overly interesting.
And as per usual, management sucks... They shut the other local Vw place as the just spent 2 million on our place at Vw s request... So now we have more techs and more managers... So, one workshop controller, one service manager, one deputy service manager, one aftersales manager, and a generall manager... As you can imagine, they clash a lot, and it feeds back to us... The lack of organization is laughable tbh.
Obviously it's not facebookable untill end of play tomorrow, as I plan to do the deed in the morning.
But I have been made a slightly better offer by Mercedes benze.. an extra days holiday, almost another grand (enough to cover pension payments and not effect my wage) (never had a pension and I'm 28)... Oh and private health care again (was very usefull when I needed my apendix out).
So I can't see any reason to stay at Vw really lol.
After Rover collapsed I went to work at a merc commercial garage and it was sound but left there after 18 months to go back to working on cars at a vw dealers
it was proper poo
left after 3 months
hatefull cars too
Good luck at merc fella
Rob
working on cars at a vw dealers
it was proper poo
left after 3 months
hatefull cars too
Good luck at merc fella
Rob
:laugh:
You got that right... just so erm... bland !
I really hope Merc cars are somewhat better, biggest problem is that i am a car enthusiast, so when i get in to a brand, i kinda really do ! hence why MG Rover has stuck, it was my first brainwashing session lol.
I never got in to anything else untill BMW, an there cars are also amazing !
Then i went to Vw an its like... meh, crap, bland etc etc.
Thanks for the support though buddy :happy:
Right, spent a few hours on the ZS over the last two days so i think a little update is in order with some pics.
Ok, so boost pipes are sorted, not all clipped up yet... but they go to the right places !
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0716_zps1575541b.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0716_zps1575541b.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0715_zpseacfeea3.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0715_zpseacfeea3.jpg.html)
Basically, i cut a Ti pipe from the turbo to intercooler, rotated it to get the correct angle for the diesel cooler and fitted a joiner, this works well.
Then i used a diesel intercooler to tbh pipe, put a 45 degree alloy bend in it, and fitted it to a cut 620ti reducer, i may mod this to make it slightly better in the future, but it works as is for the minute.
Next, a couple of issues with using a full 420 gsi loom !
The headlights on the 400 have 2x plugs, 4 wires for main,dip,sides and an earth, also a live and earth for the indicators, the ZS on the other hand has a straight 6 pin plug, quite honestly you dont have to be a rocket scientist to work it out !
Having a multimeter makes life extremely simple ! :idea:
So i got my headlights fitted :cool1:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0719_zps19c52dab.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0719_zps19c52dab.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0722_zpsdbe45eaf.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0722_zpsdbe45eaf.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0720_zpsb8e26631.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0720_zpsb8e26631.jpg.html)
The other thing i had to do was wire up the cooling fan, on the 400, the fan is behind the rad, so only the wires for the condenser fan fit correctly, so i had to extend the wires to the front for the cooling fan, and im pleased with the result !
... hmm, didnt take many pics of that... but its x2 wires and easy, but its all taped up and routed correctly now, and pulling the cts triggers both fans now so im happy :)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0717_zps6ca2c7fd.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0717_zps6ca2c7fd.jpg.html)
Anyway, so with lights and fans sorted, i wandered what to do today.
Well while on multiplugs, the other one that's different is the wiper motor, this was easy as all the wire colours matched.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0724_zps7dce309e.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0724_zps7dce309e.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0723_zpse0f17c92.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0723_zpse0f17c92.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0725_zps7bf19818.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0725_zps7bf19818.jpg.html)
Again, its all taped up and fitted now, for reference i have used crimp connectors with heat shrink ends, these make a good easy connection and are water proof when the ends are warmed and shrunk down, not perfect pretty but will do the job well.
Ok, so after that i thought i would have a stab at the clutch system, i wanted to use the Ti stuff, simply because the OE ZS stuff is a bit poor !
So the master was first, i had to shorten the rod and tap some more thread on it, but again... the result is well worth it, its spot on, i even replaced the seals in it as i bought them ages ago as i had noticed it weeping.
The difference is obvious.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0726_zpsa08b1465.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0726_zpsa08b1465.jpg.html)
So threads cut.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0729_zps265df4c0.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0729_zps265df4c0.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0730_zps3dbeb363.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0730_zps3dbeb363.jpg.html)
This shows the extra thread that i had to saw off !
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0731_zpsd6decc29.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0731_zpsd6decc29.jpg.html)
Replaced the seals.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0734_zps802c587b.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0734_zps802c587b.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0733_zpse692fa6e.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0733_zpse692fa6e.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0736_zps94552c30.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0736_zps94552c30.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0737_zps0f4acd91.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0737_zps0f4acd91.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0738_zpsb8c95784.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0738_zpsb8c95784.jpg.html)
Then i fitted it, as i said, spot on :cool1:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0741_zpsc8d9b52e.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0741_zpsc8d9b52e.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0742_zpsbca8445c.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0742_zpsbca8445c.jpg.html)
The reservoir is a slight... dare i say it... BODGE !
Only in as much as i had to bend the bracket and only fit it with only one bolt.. but its the only suitable ready made mount point, and its nice and secure so im happy enough.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0743_zps7ff11ab3.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0743_zps7ff11ab3.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0744_zps9f323532.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0744_zps9f323532.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0745_zps5e850be7.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0745_zps5e850be7.jpg.html)
I then fitted the slave (this is almost new anyway, i only fitted it a month before V79 came off the road.
The run in between is a pain, as the the pipe is a larger diameter than i thought... but Ptomo is ahead of me with a nice braided flexi pipe... so i intend to copy him :yes: will have to speak to grant at GBE...
I got bored with that and started looking at the exhaust !
I have a crappy old Ti downpipe, its way too long.
But im please to say, i chopped out the blowing flexi, and its perfect !
Just need a good BMW/VW style clamp and it will be a perfect fit, the 180 already has a flexi on the cat, so i shall use that.
Old bit of exhaust chopped out.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0747_zps34788dbe.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0747_zps34788dbe.jpg.html)
And resulting short downpipe awaiting a good clamp.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0746_zps37651458.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0746_zps37651458.jpg.html)
And thats it for now, still lots to do but i am getting there slowly !
Oh, it also appears the ZS 180 gear linkage fits ! i have the 400 one too, but i think they are the same.
Anyway, a few days chilling now, cooling system is a big must now... and the top hose will be a pain as (yet again) the AC is in the way..
Cheers.
Quadcam24
21-06-13, 08:49 PM
good stuff.
talkingcars
21-06-13, 08:52 PM
and I was thinking it was good to see neat wiring.
Clever trick with the clutch.
and I was thinking it was good to see neat wiring.
Its not that bloody bad lol !
Could be better admittedly, i would like to use BMW non insulated crimps, these are epicly good, and tiny... solder is ok, but lets face it, where ever you need to make a join its never gonna be oe... these crimps are only on the lights, wiper motor, and clock.. these are the only plugs i have changed, and at least they are water proof.
Also, i would prefer these joins here rather than on the management loom.
Ta on the clutch though, it seems to be a perfect fit now :cool2:
talkingcars
21-06-13, 09:41 PM
This was a professional T16 conversion on my maestro -
http://home.btconnect.com/talkingcars/maestromods/T16engine/270305wiring1.JPG
so as I said - neat.
This was a professional T16 conversion on my maestro -
http://home.btconnect.com/talkingcars/maestromods/T16engine/270305wiring1.JPG
so as I said - neat.
Lol... ok, im sorry... just was waiting for a comment on it... :oops:
EDIT... feel like a **** now.
POMPSKI
22-06-13, 10:41 AM
Love this project!
Love this project!
Thanks !
I went to work and got an exhaust clamp... fitted it this afternoon.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0757_zps1b22f2bb.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0757_zps1b22f2bb.jpg.html)
Its not that bloody bad lol !
Could be better admittedly, i would like to use BMW non insulated crimps, these are epicly good, and tiny... solder is ok, but lets face it, where ever you need to make a join its never gonna be oe... these crimps are only on the lights, wiper motor, and clock.. these are the only plugs i have changed, and at least they are water proof.
Also, i would prefer these joins here rather than on the management loom.
Ta on the clutch though, it seems to be a perfect fit now :cool2:
Mate, the wiring is tidy, but as you say not like OE!!, I would have done the same used slimmer heatshrink tubing and used Flexable conduit (http://image.alibaba.co.jp/img/club/45/21/452104.jpeg), to make it even more OE looking
Incidently... another issue with keeping the air con :roll:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0672_zps46b4fab9.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0672_zps46b4fab9.jpg.html)
Sure it would work, but it would eventually rub through, so i got creative with the ZS 180 top hose :lol:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0797_zps625667f8.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0797_zps625667f8.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0799_zpsb35e69f4.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0799_zpsb35e69f4.jpg.html)
Just waiting for the reducer for the stat to complete it.
Also, ordered some hose for the return pipe, i put it like this first.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0800_zps7c5115ab.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0800_zps7c5115ab.jpg.html)
But it looks tacky, i think it would be better to fit the 600 rail (it just fits with my new top hose) and then follow the throttle cable back to the expansion tank.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0803_zpsa8cf40d7.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0803_zpsa8cf40d7.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0806_zps109d83bf.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0806_zps109d83bf.jpg.html)
More parts are on order atm, really need the clutch and cooling system sorted now :)
talkingcars
03-07-13, 09:27 PM
What is that thermostat housing from, looks nothing like the ones I've had or got?
Currently I have one from a A+ 1300 which has a 90' to the engine outlet which suits my radiator location and the overflow outlet is on the top. I did have to elongate the bolt holes slightly to make it fit.
I made my own solid thin coolant pipes from IIRC 8mm cooper pipe painted black.
With yours I think I would follow the drivers side wing to the header tank, the other routing is just too long for me.
petet16
03-07-13, 09:45 PM
The thermo housing is from an aircon 620ti.
talkingcars
03-07-13, 10:01 PM
Ah, my experience is with 820 and 220 non air con dissy engines.
talkingcars
03-07-13, 10:06 PM
http://home.btconnect.com/talkingcars/Maestrophotos/xmas%202005%20s01.jpg
work in progress but shows the thermostat housing and the copper pipe.
petet16
03-07-13, 10:09 PM
I like the Copper pipe idea, it looks neater and more oe.
All bloody day in the heat i have been out there...
On the plus side i now have a bleed and working clutch (after faffing for ages trying to flare the pipe with cheap kit) (dont waste you money).
But got there in the end.
Bad news is after spending ages trying to sus out the cooling system (the Ti lower metal pipe had to be cut as it fouls the ZS TD intercooler)... i was chuffed with my work and filled it with coolant.... only for it to gently trickle out a pin hole in the rad (its not Chazs fault) comparing pics shows some obvious damage in the area that was not there when he took it off, and i didnt hit it while fitting it, so i can only assume it got battered about a bit in transit.
Gutted, those rads aint cheap, and my fund is now dangerously low, i may have to start pulling the heads of the Kv6 and see if they are any good to sell on.
Im at a point with this thing now where im starting to wish i never bloody bothered.
petet16
06-07-13, 08:54 PM
No surrender Dan :thumbsup:
No surrender Dan :thumbsup:
Hmm...
Just ordered this.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130937223721?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#rpdId
Ak motor sport, sure i have seen them before.
Pic is wrong but the part number is correct for what im after.
petet16
06-07-13, 09:31 PM
AK seem to have a lot of old MG Rover stock, I'm sure I've used them before.
Was fed up on Sunday, so i did my front grill and badge, looks loads better back to chrome mesh !
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0824_zps622f126b.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0824_zps622f126b.jpg.html)
Then, i noticed i had a parcel when i got home today... it was this.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0828_zps0ea404ee.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0828_zps0ea404ee.jpg.html)
So i put that on and put some coolant in it NO MORE LEAKS :mrgreen:
Got it nice and hot, bleed the cooling system, i now have fans that cut in and out, no overheats so im happy now :lol:
The throttle body is sticking a little, need to re address that, and my Pas still doesnt work, interestingly the fluid in the bottle is pumping around like mad, but no assistance via the rack :? pretty sure i have plumbed it up ok so i need to have a look at that.
Next up is balljoints, pads and driveshafts, and an air filter of sorts, after that i should be able to move it around :)
I know the sound is shocking on my phone.. the engine actually sounds spot on ! but i could not resist a quick video.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/th_VIDEO0021_zps3026aa8f.jpg (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/VIDEO0021_zps3026aa8f.mp4)
I have at last replaced both the bottom balljoints, and fitted some drive shafts to the ZS, i found the outer cv joints to be identical to ZS 180 ones, including the abs reluctor rings, so i swapped the outers over anyway on the basis the ZS ones where new.
The one issue i did have is that the inner boot on the passanger side split as i tried to fit the hub... i was not impressed... but i simply fitted an outer boot to the inner shaft, it fitted and retains its grease so it will be fine.
Pic of one driveshaft fitted.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0831_zps52e6af8d.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0831_zps52e6af8d.jpg.html)
I then filled the gearbox with mtf94, i now have a car the can be moved under its own power at last ! i took this picture after driving it to the end of the drive lol.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0839_zpsefe2db72.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0839_zpsefe2db72.jpg.html)
So my list is now getting shorter.
I need to swap the Pas pumps, and fit the seats to put the SRS warning lamp on the dash.
The main issue i have now is with the ABS... the light is on, when you put the ignition on it comes on and stays on... now i dont know if all the sensors are ok at the minute, but i was waiting untill i had driveshafts in etc before posting up about it.
So currently it has ZS 180 wheel speed sensors all around, the outer cvs are the same (even by part number) to the 420 ones so i doubt they are the issue.
The other thing (which could be the issue) is that im still using the ZS 180 modulator on the 420 loom ?
If anyone can shed some light on this i would be very greatfull.
petet16
14-07-13, 03:47 PM
Not sure on the abs light, was it ok on the zs when you got it.
Not sure on the abs light, was it ok on the zs when you got it.
Honestly i dont recall... it never ran, so i didnt take much notice of it at the time.
Looking at some sources abs pumps are listed up from 1995/1999 and are then different from 45 ZS onwards, it might be that i need to put a 400 one on it... so long as that's compatible with the ZS sensors, my 600 does the check and the light goes out very quickly.
The only other reference to this i can find is this one.
http://www.zscentral.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=8127&start=60
Though he never finished the project so it was never looked in to...
It would be interesting to know what Dan, carmadbaker used on his...
petet16
14-07-13, 04:10 PM
There are only 2 types of abs ring 27 tooth and 42 or 43 (can't remember which), so in theory the zs should be compatible with the 400 loom...............maybe
Yeah... hmm, i know the teeth are ok, they meshed fine between the two.
Its more the loom powering it, or the checks it goes through... just wondering if there is any difference.
petet16
14-07-13, 04:27 PM
It could be related to the electronic brake distribution, the 420 wouldn't have had it but the zs would.
petet16
14-07-13, 04:28 PM
Have you still got the abs unit from the 420 ?
Have you still got the abs unit from the 420 ?
Negative... But can get one on eBay, I just don't want to spend before knowing..
petet16
14-07-13, 05:04 PM
That's a shame, I can't think of a way of proving that it's the problem other than swapping units
carmadbaker
14-07-13, 05:05 PM
Hey dude :) just seen your PM.
I suffered the exact same problem, i always guessed it was because of the sensor rings being different on the ZS to the 400, being that i had 400 shafts on a ZS ABS system the pattern would be incorrect. BUT.. im fairly sure the wheels would need to be turned for the ABS module to realise they are different, unless the heights are different to?
I'll have to look through the wiring diagrams but i'm fairly sure the ABS runs nearly completely separate to the rest of the car...
In the end i knew i would need custom driveshafts (with no sensor ring) so opted to remove the ABS system completely, its surprisingly good and very stable!
Thanks Dan, at least I'm not the only one !
The outer cv joints and teeth are the same, identical in fact, but so far, it appears that three of us have used the 400 loom and zs abs module and all of us have had the light on... I'm thinking I may need a 400 pump.
carmadbaker
14-07-13, 05:16 PM
i think you could be right, would make alot of sense. them little flared fittings are a pain to undo and REALLY tight, so drown them well in advance ;) lol
My omex wouldn't of been happy with ABS either thinking of it
Tell me about it lol... I think I might just try it, I'm gonna need the light off technically for the mot... And it was not on in the 400.
talkingcars
14-07-13, 05:50 PM
Tell me about it lol... I think I might just try it, I'm gonna need the light off technically for the mot... And it was not on in the 400.
Wire the light to the alternator or oil pressure warning light so it appears to go out after the engine starts.
A T4 computer should be able to read the ABS ECU to see where the fault is, even with your hybrid loom.
No hybrid looms here ! All 400.
talkingcars
14-07-13, 05:55 PM
No hybrid looms here ! All 400.
Even the rear of the car and the ABS?
Even the rear of the car and the ABS?
Abs loom is 400 also yes, rear loom is zs, it just plugs in to the 400 fusebox in the osf.
I just orders a 400 abs pump from eBay, £26.90 delivered... Fingers crossed.
petet16
16-07-13, 06:40 PM
Here's hoping that cures the problem.
Cheer Pete, one with ebd wil be programmed differently... So fingers crossed, it one of the final hurdfles tbh.
petet16
16-07-13, 07:40 PM
If that doesn't work you could always wire the abs into the oil pressure light :ohmy: lol
carmadbaker
16-07-13, 07:55 PM
Or take the lamp out... Alot easier! They wont know if its meant to come on or not
petet16
16-07-13, 08:59 PM
Or take the lamp out... Alot easier! They wont know if its meant to come on or not
iirc, if it comes on and stays on it's an mot fail, if it doesn't come on at all it's just an advisory.
Dave MGT
16-07-13, 09:11 PM
Or take the lamp out... Alot easier! They wont know if its meant to come on or not
They will. There's also a chart they will look at. Also if they cant see the ABS pump under the bonnet and think a car that age doesn't have abs then their not very switched on in my book..lol
MG ZS STE
16-07-13, 09:39 PM
A friend of mine bought an old BMW a few years ago and after a couple of weeks noticed the previous owner had stuck a small square of insulation tape over the check engine light =O
My god my auto phone spelling/typos suck lol...
Mot would um... Pass anyway, but it would be nice if it all worked as it should, no reason it shouldn't work really, it's all present and correct, we shall see shortly !
A friend of mine bought an old BMW a few years ago and after a couple of weeks noticed the previous owner had stuck a small square of insulation tape over the check engine light =O
I had a Vw touran in when I worked at Vw... They had filled the esp light with black rtv ! Button inerds where missing too... I failed that on mot lol.
Would be a little out of order for me to pass my own with a known fault... I'm 70% confident this will work tbh.
Shot in the dark there paid off !
Bought a used 420 abs pump from ebay for £26.90... i plugged it in quickly when i got home, it resulted in the light going out ! Happy days.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0841_zpsc0d868c9.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0841_zpsc0d868c9.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0842_zps1f99fcf8.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0842_zps1f99fcf8.jpg.html)
petet16
17-07-13, 06:45 PM
Good news, sell the unwanted one on = free swap
carmadbaker
17-07-13, 06:54 PM
What a result good news dude! Woop woop!
You can legally remove abs aslong as you take all the components out. I checked with VOSA before mine came out :-)
Good news, sell the unwanted one on = free swap
Not a bad thought.
What a result good news dude! Woop woop!
You can legally remove abs aslong as you take all the components out. I checked with VOSA before mine came out :-)
Yup, so long as its all gone !
This was much easier though lol, i would pass it myself being a tester... er... no.. i would fail it my self being a tester :innocent:
But its nice to know the light is out, i ran it back and forward and it didnt come back on, so good stuff.
So, seats, pas pump and all lights should be out and it should be MOT ready.
There is some under body and inner wing rot to sort... and of course tart up the body, but there is light at the end of the tunnel now.
Oh and while your there Dan... may i ask what you did with your white dial 160mph kit that was in yours ???????
petet16
17-07-13, 07:04 PM
Are the front jacking points rusted much, I've just done mine, they were pretty scruffy for a 2005 car.
Are the front jacking points rusted much, I've just done mine, they were pretty scruffy for a 2005 car.
Yes, both of them are, and the ofs inner wing area where the **** shield goes.
How did you go about it ?
petet16
17-07-13, 07:10 PM
I cleaned them up with a wire brush in the angle grinder, then treated them with a product called POR 15, I've never used it before, but people reckon it's the dogs danglies, we shall see.
I cleaned them up with a wire brush in the angle grinder, then treated them with a product called POR 15, I've never used it before, but people reckon it's the dogs danglies, we shall see.
Link to product ?
I was thinking the same in the cleaning aspect, than etch primer and some form of spray on underseal or stone chip.
Tell you what though, my 1997 416 never rotted like this... only the rear arches, same with the 420, just the rear arches, earlier cars are obviously better built with regard to rust treatment imo.
petet16
17-07-13, 07:15 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/POR15-Starter-automotive-cleaner-prevention/dp/B00AW8YNEY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1374088504&sr=8-6&keywords=por-15
http://www.amazon.co.uk/POR15-Starter-automotive-cleaner-prevention/dp/B00AW8YNEY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1374088504&sr=8-6&keywords=por-15
Nice one, not ott on price either !
I shall get some come payday :)
petet16
17-07-13, 07:22 PM
When you do it there are a couple of bungs in the bottom of the rail that the jacking point is welded to, they lever out, I'll guarantee that a load of water will drip out, which may explain the rust, I left the bungs out and sprayed a load of wax inside the box section.
Right, spent a few hours on the car today.
First i fitted the 420 abs pump i got on ebay, i have not bleed the system yet so the pedal travel is a little on the long side at the minute, but it still stops ok, thats one of the next things to do.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0846_zpsc2aeb987.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0846_zpsc2aeb987.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0855_zps47bada96.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0855_zps47bada96.jpg.html)
Another engine bay pic :lol:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0847_zps025cc891.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0847_zps025cc891.jpg.html)
This results in no more ABS light on the dash :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0850_zpsebaa83e0.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0850_zpsebaa83e0.jpg.html)
Also fitted the seats, so no more SRS light on the dash either 8) We are now warning light free.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0851_zpsa9335f32.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0851_zpsa9335f32.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0852_zpsc9b2b675.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0852_zpsc9b2b675.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0853_zpsdcb02bb0.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0853_zpsdcb02bb0.jpg.html)
Next i needed to address the lack of PAS.
So i dug deep and found the 420s PAS pump, gave it a slight clean and fitted it, i now have fully functioning PAS :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0848_zps7ef34bf7.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0848_zps7ef34bf7.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0849_zps71696eb5.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0849_zps71696eb5.jpg.html)
Moved it up the drive again to fit the seats :)
Couldnt resist a quick run up and down the street :lol:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/th_VIDEO0022_zps4412bbab.jpg (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/VIDEO0022_zps4412bbab.mp4)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/th_VIDEO0023_zpscdec3815.jpg (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/VIDEO0023_zpscdec3815.mp4)
And one of the last things i need to sort is some ducting and an air filter to go in the NSF wheel arch, as currently, the turbo is somewhat exposed.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0856_zpsdc291fe1.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0856_zpsdc291fe1.jpg.html)
Currently thats is, i also removed the blanking plate and fitted a standard recirc valve.
Real progress now :)
peterzs
20-07-13, 07:10 PM
Good progress.
Well done.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
petet16
20-07-13, 07:18 PM
Great work
I may have accidentally had my wheels painted...
petet16
29-07-13, 06:21 PM
Excellent
They are a little marmite...
Plus i think they will look loads better when i get around to actually cleaning the rest of the car !
Refurbed and primed...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/Image2013-07-29-1_zpsc2c51590.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/Image2013-07-29-1_zpsc2c51590.jpg.html)
BMW Vermillion Red went on...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/Image2013-07-29_zpsf989a684.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/Image2013-07-29_zpsf989a684.jpg.html)
Clear coat.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/Image2013-07-29-2_zps826ebaf9.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/Image2013-07-29-2_zps826ebaf9.jpg.html)
Resulting in..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0920_zpsaa7b12dc.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0920_zpsaa7b12dc.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0926_zps74329855.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0926_zps74329855.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0927_zps7c931af3.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0927_zps7c931af3.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0924_zps4b85de89.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0924_zps4b85de89.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0929_zpsf86b0355.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0929_zpsf86b0355.jpg.html)
I did not want a bright red, and these look quite dark, but when the sun hits them the pearl gives of some stunning flecks lol.
Cant wait to get the rest finished and cleaned now so i can get a proper pic.
petet16
29-07-13, 07:55 PM
Nice choice, I hadn't considered Red, they'll look good against a clean car:cool2:
Nice choice, I hadn't considered Red, they'll look good against a clean car:cool2:
Thanks... it was a it of a shot in the dark... but hey, the rest of the details are red... so i just thought this would work !
Vard just popped in and saw them, he likes them too lol.
petet16
29-07-13, 08:19 PM
That's it then, the vard seal of approval :laugh:
That's it then, the vard seal of approval :laugh:
Yup lol, done and dusted :look:
Not much done...
It's got new front pads now.
Plus my centercaps are painted and have stickers on !
I also cleaned it.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0960_zpsb48481cb.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0972_zps6123a7a0.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0978_zps35ad7194.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0983_zps93135eba.jpg
Also, I have fitted an induction kit of sorts (ie duct/pipe/filter from eBay)... Also the 420s fogs are now in place and the bumper screw on.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0963_zps17270e58.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0964_zps55f1126b.jpg
I have put some underseal about too...
I also went to look at the rust on the inner wing, then started swearing... Lots !
I'm not putting pics up yet, but I was debating throwing the towel in again, it's pretty bad, who would have though for a car this age ? The older ones did not suffer like this.
But some pics sent to the father in law ( legend) and he's going to cut out much of the inner wing on the drivers side and weld some new steel in, in the mean time I need to prep it for the road.
Really wish I had started with a better base now, but that's the chance you take I suppose.
Onwards and upwards it is.
Holiday first, moved the mg and caravan over now, looking forward to the Brecon beacons next week in the caravan, let's hope the zafira will manage...
petet16
14-08-13, 08:53 PM
I agree about the rust, my 1994 R8 420 was 15 years old and had less rust underneath than either of the 2005 ZS.
Enjoy the beacons btw
I agree about the rust, my 1994 R8 420 was 15 years old and had less rust underneath than either of the 2005 ZS.
Enjoy the beacons btw
Aye, the 420 was gone on the outer rear arches, but Jesus I did not expect to whack a hole through my inner wing with a hammer !
Such a shame, they really did cut bloody corners in the end, my ti is 3 years older, has more miles on it, and is in much better nick.
And cheers, let's hope the weather is ok lol.
petet16
14-08-13, 09:04 PM
Take a look at the front jacking points as well, they rot for fun.
petet16
14-08-13, 09:06 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2654817
Jacking points cleaned and undersealed... Suface stuff but still strong !
Cheers for the link, well I'm traveling Sunday, so at least the drive should be ok (dont like towing) rain would make it worse.
Not to far at least, couple of hours... Will be nice to have a week off in any case
For those interested... not much done really, holidays and underpaid has taken a toll on what i have been able to do, plus the weather is not great anymore.
Welding to the inner wing has been done, and new rear discs and pads.
Sent my old Ti ecu off to best of british on monday, had it back wednesday de immobilized !
Epicly quick service, cant recommend them enough.
All thats needed now is to sort the sticking tb and tighten a few clips, the battery is on charge as we speak and it shall be moted shortly.
I now have a real deadline, the mot on the 600 runs out on the second of november, and it will take more time and effort to get that through a test than the ZS imo.
So ZS here we come !
New side repeater supplied by maxtherotti for postage ! Cheers.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1177_zps9fc0de7f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1177_zps9fc0de7f.jpg.html)
New rear brake discs and pads fitted... one of the calipers was abit tight and reqired cleaning, and both the lower sliders where seized solid ! my god they made a huge difference on a quick test up and down the road.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1174_zps1279e496.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1174_zps1279e496.jpg.html)
Last but not least... the rot !
Not to fussed about putting pics up now as its a damn solid job, the steel used was actually thicker that what was cut out. it should outlast the rest of the car now, massive thanks to my father in law for coming 100 miles (each way) a few saturdays back to help me out, he is a well seasoned welder (all types) and jumped in his van as soon as i asked ! couldnt have a better father in law.
So first pictures of the OSF inner wing/chassis.
Looked tatty, so started digging.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0966_zpse63c45f4.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0966_zpse63c45f4.jpg.html)
And found this...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0967_zpsb627ab8a.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0967_zpsb627ab8a.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG0968_zps4e641f07.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG0968_zps4e641f07.jpg.html)
I was kinda peeved about this as you might imagine, but its come out ok now.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1166_zpse89b5f03.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1166_zpse89b5f03.jpg.html)
The inside, top and bottom where rot free ???
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1167_zps81eeca87.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1167_zps81eeca87.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1168_zpsf5e6c36e.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1168_zpsf5e6c36e.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1169_zps61384a49.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1169_zps61384a49.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1170_zpse11d9250.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1170_zpse11d9250.jpg.html)
Filled the inner wing with stone chip via an engine mount hole lol.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1171_zpsb326da5f.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1171_zpsb326da5f.jpg.html)
The finished result looks like this.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1173_zpsf5220aef.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1173_zpsf5220aef.jpg.html)
petet16
19-10-13, 04:47 PM
That looks a good solid job, I've seen a few go rotten like that, and I've no idea why, it's worth keeping an eye on that area as it seems to be prone to tin worm.
Still liking the colour of your wheels as well:)
talkingcars
19-10-13, 04:51 PM
The red one that Sam broke had gone there as well.
Good luck with the MOT.
Thanks Pete, i do like the wheels too !
And thanks on the MOT luck mr talkingcars lol, im hopeing i wont need it though, i have done all i can regarding boots, bushes, balljoints etc, tyres are all good too.
Plus, i may well take it in next Saturday and do it myself lol.
petet16
19-10-13, 05:36 PM
Hmm, it'd be useful to able to do your own mot's.
I decided to take it in and get it MOTed today :) Stuffed the boost controller on too, took ages mucking about with the tb too, it kept sticking, its much better now and idles well as it should.
Found one of the rear exhaust hangers was so badly cracked the backbox was about to fall off :lol: temp cable tie fix :mrgreen:
Also found the center pipe clamp had rusted so badly it was loose... so nicked a clamp off the apprentices citroen :thumbup:
Sorted the headlight aim out etc etc, oh and stopped a minor coolant leak from a pipe.
Goes like a rocket :) also its nice to drive something with fantastic brakes and no clutch judder, it doesnt half go around corners well even on budget tyres too !
Still work to do, the boots still full of crap, the trims in the footwells etc are not yet fitted, ac needs gassing... and of course cosmetically its tatty, but a nice car to drive :D
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1326_zps3380977d.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1326_zps3380977d.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1342_zps06e1d3d3.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1342_zps06e1d3d3.jpg.html)
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/mgrover3/IMAG1327_zpsb2b354a9.jpg (http://s267.photobucket.com/user/mgrover3/media/IMAG1327_zpsb2b354a9.jpg.html)
petet16
26-10-13, 05:13 PM
Good news all round.
They are a sweet handling car without a doubt.
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