Brembodge findings

[p_b82]

Afternoon all,

I am going to make a statement here that i want to ensure that i am not blaming any-one or pointing fingers, but wanted to give people a heads up who may have the kit fitted.

I picked up a set from Sneakyparrot second hand - who i think i got them from some- from some-one, I am not sure of the history nor do I care... but It is more on analysis of the mounting brackets that there have been some issues\concerns.

I understand that there has been a revision, and it is possible that some of the things found out have been already rectified but this is what was found out when we tried to bolt the kit up onto my car...

The Bolts while mostly likely up to the job were no longer true and straight.
The thread on one of sets of holes, were course pitched not fine - so less structural strength as a result (and chewed so needed sorting). The fien threaded holes were still spot on though)
The Bracket had actually warped - meaning the calipers could not sit square to the disk...

It is this later point that is the more critical issue that i wanted to just mention to others, as it could cause issues if it happens to you over time etc.

Rather than get another set from the group buy on RT or sourced from there, I am getting a new one made up, a bit stronger to avoid a repeat issue, and a few other modifications while at it.

I can try to get a more specific issue list from Matt if any-one is interested...

As i said this is not a blame thing - it is probably just my car being jinxed tbh, but there *may* be warping of the brackets occuring and that is obviously not good.

Pete

[Skillen]

Just as I stick the deposit on the gb! Lol
As long as the guys on RT find this ill be happy if its sorted for my batch!
Good to know that they could have problems then I can keep an eye out!

[petet16]

Thanks for the heads up on that, I've been using the set up for 3+ years and it is still as good as the day it was fitted, Rob and Si went to a lot of trouble to spec the parts of the kit to be as durable and robust as the oe items.

One of the problems of buying used gear is knowing if it was fitted properly in the first place, and also if it is still as originally manufactured, as an example your mention of the mounting plates being warped suggests to me that someone fitted them with washers between the upright and mounting bracket, this was one of the things which Rob mentioned specifically not to do.

[p_b82]

I do believe that washers were involved in the fitting of the kit i picked up...

So if that is the case, and it had been mentioned previously not to do it - then It is probably the root cause.

I know the kit was well designed and spec'd - so it was more as a heads up i wanted to mention it in passing... if it had been an 'issue' there would have been a lot more threads etc about it.

Hence why I said it could just be me being jinxed with my car!

[KevG]

Pete,
I personally find that the kit is a complete bodge, I could never get the kit to run properly, even with the hub-centric spacers fitted!
I had grinding of the lower ball joint, of the inner wheel arch, the kit on its own is sub-standard, and the stopping power of the calipers in a straight line, no bumps/dips is excellent though, that’s why I sold my kit, however if you contact Maxfly he has a pair of Stainless Brackets that I got made up to try, but sold the kit before I could fit.
The brackets have the washers already built in, so it has 2 islands already (I you know what I mean!)
I have been told by a very reputable Japanese specialist here in Glasgow, that Honda Integra DC5 Brembo calipers, and Honda S2000 disks will fit with almost zero modifications.

[Dave MGT]

Well mine isn't a brembodge kit. But I still have the disc/balljoint clearance issue. I have resorted to using the face of a std brake disc (5mm) cut off and welded to the inside of my brembo disc to space the disc outwards from the hub. That way the disc is still centralised properly.

[petet16]

The interference between the lower ball joint nut and disc can be alleviated by using reduced hex nuts, but it also depends how much lower than standard ride height you're running, I'm using xpower springs which are 25mm ? lower, and using the reduced hex nuts cured the rubbing between ball joint and disc.

[Mark S]

I have been told by a very reputable Japanese specialist here in Glasgow, that Honda Integra DC5 Brembo calipers, and Honda S2000 disks will fit with almost zero modifications.

It would be interesting to know more about that, and if the brembo's for the DC5 are the same as brembo's on another car, as DC5 brembo's tend to fetch a packet.

[petet16]

There's quite a big difference in height between zs and S2000 discs, the S2000 are about 5.5mm shallower, it'd be interesting to get a few used bits to have a dabble with.

[redzed]

I have been told by a very reputable Japanese specialist here in Glasgow, that Honda Integra DC5 Brembo calipers, and Honda S2000 disks will fit with almost zero modifications.

hmm i think we need to test this out!

[p_b82]

Hmm i would have thought that there would be a valid reason why this route may not have been followed (the honda disks\calipers- rather than the effort gone in to use soemthing from a very different application and brackets etc...

I was aware that lowered cars did have a lot of issues with the setup - not sure how low mine will be now, but i dont think it was supposed to be much of a drop tbh...

Guess time will tell.

[petet16]

I think the reason they didn't look at the Teg/S2000 set up was because the kit is aimed primarily at the R8/bubble 200/zr, which has a completely different front upright, and possibly the lack of supply of Honda Brembos.

[Jay-ZS+]

I know a few people have suffered issues, especially when running lower springs. However mine seem to have been fine since I fitted them 3 yrs ago. Had to play about with washers abit to get centered but sorted that with little impact on anything else.

[thered180]

Don't Honda use 5 stud pattern ? Or am I just been daft. Im sure my friends integra is 5 studs. :)

[Skillen]

Don't Honda use 5 stud pattern ? Or am I just been daft. Im sure my friends integra is 5 studs. :)

Yeah they do. I've thought about the hubs as a swap though.
The civic mb6 owners are more likely to know for certain.

Tbh though I reckon they'll be highly sought after and probably more expensive than brembodge.

Edit:
Dc2 hubs £100
Brembos: http://bit.ly/132bhSD £550.
http://bit.ly/1cKMqIE £700.
So £650ish

Perhaps the need to match the driveshafts.
New 5x114.3 PCD wheels.
£650+ maybe £300?

All starts adding up quickly.

Peugeot calipers: £200
Brembodge kit: £283
£500 maximum say.

[petet16]

mb6 owners fit 180 brakes as an upgrade.

[Skillen]

mb6 owners fit 180 brakes as an upgrade.

There we go. Sell the 180's and the brembodge is even cheaper ;)

Do they not bother with the ATR, CTR & ITR stuff then.

[Mark S]

There we go. Sell the 180's and the brembodge is even cheaper ;)

Do they not bother with the ATR, CTR & ITR stuff then.

yes, they do, the usual honda upgrade is the accord type r twin pots with a 300mm disc, same caliper was used on nsx and a prelude.
that is a straight fit for the caliper and perhaps a redrill on the discs depending on the car.
this caliper is a great caliper, but weighs a lot tho. but cheap enough at around a ton per pair.
some honda boys fit the caliper to their std carriers which converts it to a twin pot 282 setup, we use different carriers to theirs so we need to upgrade the discs to 300 as well.

beyond that its the brembo gear, but at 500quid for a pair of second hand calipers, it makes new stuff like hi-spec look cheap at 700 inc discs.

[thered180]

Yeah they do. I've thought about the hubs as a swap though.
The civic mb6 owners are more likely to know for certain.

Tbh though I reckon they'll be highly sought after and probably more expensive than brembodge.

Edit:
Dc2 hubs £100
Brembos: http://bit.ly/132bhSD £550.
http://bit.ly/1cKMqIE £700.
So £650ish

Perhaps the need to match the driveshafts.
New 5x114.3 PCD wheels.
£650+ maybe £300?

All starts adding up quickly.

Peugeot calipers: £200
Brembodge kit: £283
£500 maximum say.

So would the hubs fit do you think ? Or do you think the dimensions would be slightly different else where ?

[Supercharged_Z]

if these brakes were of the grey reyland ZS then they were fitted from I cant remember what car now, my head says the red devil ZS but I am not sure.

I fitted new discs and pads but they warped very quickly and it was given that it was the pad overheating (ds2500) cost me a small fortune.

They were great for day to day. When I took them on track they were a pain in the ass I could do about half a lap before bad vibration i mean really bad.

Anyway not sure what was causing it i sold the car but i am sure washers were used from the original setup and moved over.

hope you sort it

Ross

edit just remembered they were the brakes from Sam's ZS, he had bad scores on the inner disk caused by the lower arm nut, Pete gave me a link to reduced size nuts which i used with new discs and pads :)

[Mark S]

So would the hubs fit do you think ? Or do you think the dimensions would be slightly different else where ?

don't forget the brembo setup was on the later civic 01> whereas your ZS is pretty much the same as the eg (early 90's) and MB (95-99)

I would check the brembo setup fits the MB first, else all you would gain are 5 stud wheels!

The later (brembo) civic and DC5 was likely a macpherson front strut rather than double wishbone, so some things may be different.

What exactly are you trying to achieve by fitting different hubs when a new big brake kit would weigh in for the same money as dc5 brembo's?

[Skillen]

So would the hubs fit do you think ? Or do you think the dimensions would be slightly different else where ?

I don't think it's worth the hassle after what I put as the prices. And who knows if the carriers will fit and the calipers. And god knows what else like mark says the cost of the second hand teg brembos is almost as much as brand new one hispecs.
And you could pick up brand new pug 4pots for less than that too if you didn't want to go second hand.

5 stud wheel figment would be awesome as there are a lot of wheels available. But, IMO not worth it for that alone. (Unless for ZT 18's ;))

[thered180]

don't forget the brembo setup was on the later civic 01> whereas your ZS is pretty much the same as the eg (early 90's) and MB (95-99)

I would check the brembo setup fits the MB first, else all you would gain are 5 stud wheels!

The later (brembo) civic and DC5 was likely a macpherson front strut rather than double wishbone, so some things may be different.

What exactly are you trying to achieve by fitting different hubs when a new big brake kit would weigh in for the same money as dc5 brembo's?

I was just curious as to the setups on the hondas. I'm aware that the MB6 is very similar to our MG's, but i just wasn't sure about the integra and what set it apart from the early civics. I was thinking it may be possible to get a wider variety of parts from the states if the hubs were easily changed. Sounds like a bit too much hassle when i've thought about it, an your right about the price too, wouldn't really be worth it. :)