What do you drive?

[sduk]

Im guessing its gonna be a ZS 180 monopoly on here :)

[arwilson80]

It's evens.... ;)

[Craig]

tum te tum :D

[Glen290]

180 obviously, anything less is a crime punishable by stocks and rotten fruit

[al_roverMG]

180 obviously, anything less is a crime punishable by stocks and rotten fruit

Why the diesel is just as quick, more easily tunable and much much more economical. :medieval:

[Glen290]

Why the diesel is just as quick, more easily tunable and much much more economical. :medieval:

I agree, i had a rover 25 tdi and loved it, rapid tuned up and indeed economical, loved it and really regretted it when i got shut.. was just a jokey comment.
:ike::ike:

[Steves Cleenz]

i also drive a Ford courier van for work :smurf:

[stamford]

There's no multiple choice!

180, is there anything else? :shoot2:

[Mat C]

Why the diesel is just as quick

Got to disagree there. Just because it has the same torque figure does not make it as fast. 0-60 is far slower, 0-100 is even more slower and the all important in gear times are slower too. Plus by the time the diesel has reached it's torque figure, it's nearly out of revs. The 180 has several thousand more RPM's to play with. Take them on a race track together and then see just how much faster the 180 is ! I'll give you the fuel quote though, you're right on that !! :D

[TurboZed]

180's are a pile of *****:****::tease:

[MGZS190+]

180's are a pile of *****:****::tease:

I agree with Jim:wave:

[Mat C]

180's are a pile of *****:****::tease:


So are diesels then. No ones impressed by a diesel. It says "i'm a stingy basterd and i can't afford to run a proper car so i will pretend i've got a good one by getting one that looks like the supperior range topper" Nowt big and clever about driving a stinky tractor with a bodykit :-D :whistle: ;)

[Supercharged_Z]

theres no option for me :P

i also drive a isuzu rodeo denver. 07 plate 4 weeks old now... tis a nice car. 2.5 td intercooled

[sduk]

lol im sure we all agree that we love our cars the best, certain models suit certain peoples means and circumstances.

myself at 23 and doing alot of miles commuting could not justify a 180 sadly.

just wanted a thread to see what the balance of models was, not a slagging of all other types lol :D

[RalphG]

There's no multiple choice!

180, is there anything else? :shoot2:

Definitely need multiple choice! :spidey::smile2:

[al_roverMG]

Got to disagree there. Just because it has the same torque figure does not make it as fast. 0-60 is far slower, 0-100 is even more slower and the all important in gear times are slower too. Plus by the time the diesel has reached it's torque figure, it's nearly out of revs. The 180 has several thousand more RPM's to play with. Take them on a race track together and then see just how much faster the 180 is ! I'll give you the fuel quote though, you're right on that !! :D


Ummm not sure where you got the idea the in gear times of the ZS180 are better. I know for a fact that the in gear time for the 180 is half a second SLOWER 30-70 and 50-80 is even more of an advantage for the diesel. As for round a track i am sure the T series turbo cars are faster round a track that a 180 and most of them couldnt shake me off round Combe (which is a very fast track) and as for the running out of revs mine pulls strongly from 1600 rpm all the way to 4500 rpm and anyway thats what gears are for.

[stamford]

Definitely need multiple choice! :spidey::smile2:


One thread for Ralph then! :) he has one of everything!

[arwilson80]

theres no option for me :P

Other MG. ;)

[StevieA ZS120]

i dont find the fuel cosumption that bad to be honest i had a zr 105 1.4 and it used to cost me 37 quid a pop to fill it up which would last me roughly 6days the zs costs me 40quid to fill right up and im getting 5days running to and from my work which is 64mile round trip and with regards to the in gear times being slower than a td unless the diesels have short throw gear shifters like the 180 i dont see how it could possibly be slower

[shroonie29]

Official Stas here for your consumption :)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/shroonie29/ScreenHunter_03Jul2922.17.jpg

Shroon

[Mat C]

Thank you, that table perfectly backs up exactly what i said about the 180 being faster in every respect. Otherwise what would be the point of making it the range topper ?

[StevieA ZS120]

exactly i still dont see any evidence of a 115 td being anywhere close through the gears with out a short shifter

[Mat C]

Don't get me wrong, a diesel has it's place in modern society but a sports diesel is the biggest contradiction in terms ever ! Yes they have great MPG, yes they have great torque figures but the power band is so narrow it counts for practiacly nothing. I got caught behind a new Saab 9-3 diesel last night coming back from Snetterton on the A17/16. I couldn't get by at first due to traffic but every over take he did i was right on his tail. When a gap appeared i took the opportunity to get by him. He was caining the life out of this Saab (the disgusting stinky black smoke gave that one away!) but he still couldn't hold a candle to the 180. He was driving like a loon to try to keep up with me but the raw fact remains it just didn't have the power. And for the record, these Saab diesels have 148 BHP which is substantialy more than a ZS TD ! If you're still not convinced a ZS180 is quicker than a ZS TD then come along to Cadwell Park race circuit in a few weeks where i will be doing a track day. I'm willing to put a sizable bet on it, like the keys for my house ! :cool2:

[TurboZed]

I think you should try it on against Donnydiesel..his lowly rover 400 diesel only has 180 odd bhp and megga buckets of torque..I'm sure you could easily wup him
It costs just £250 to get 140bhp out of a ZS diesel with more torque than your 180 can muster...just work out how much it costs to get a 39 bhp hike out of your motor..cause I know how much it costs...

[al_roverMG]

I think you should try it on against Donnydiesel..his lowly rover 400 diesel only has 180 odd bhp and megga buckets of torque..I'm sure you could easily wup him
It costs just £250 to get 140bhp out of a ZS diesel with more torque than your 180 can muster...just work out how much it costs to get a 39 bhp hike out of your motor..cause I know how much it costs...

Wingy's TD gives more torque than the supercharged V6 can muster 2.

As for the 180 being faster in gear he seems to have removed it now but Ron had a table showing that a superchipped 45TD was faster for all the in gear acceleration figures than the ZS 180 and the ZT 190. TBH Matt your typical of the petrol snobs who discount a diesel. Just because the powerband "feels" narrow doesnt mean it is narrow. Having driven a ZS180 there really isnt anything below 3krpm and it runs out of usable puff at 6krpm so thats 3krpm in my book. My TD pulls with much more urge from 1600 all the way to 4500 so i see that as being 100 rpm less, big deal.

As for the saab diesel so what if it does have 148 bhp, bhp is not what makes a car move, torque does.

[shroonie29]

Nowt wrong with a Diesel,however I think we were comparing out the box performance not modded.
The diesel is easier to mod/gain BHP as are all Turbo cars,diesel or petrol.
Seen the results on .org from the injector & they are superb

Shroon