zt 190 cams

[afcbadam]

will they fit a 180. have heard before that they make a decent difference. obvisually not the gains piper cams make but a noticable difference. as far as im aware that is the only difference between the 2 kv6's. should give the 180 a bit more low down torque.

[XPCobra]

the map and airbox are different

[Mat C]

Yeah, from what i gather the only differences between the 180 and ZT190 is as mentioned, the mapping and airbox - the 180's standard air set-up is extremely restrictive. No internal differences from what i know and have been told.

[afcbadam]

forgot the airbox but that wouldnt make a difference with a performance filter on it, the 180 could be remaped to suit the zt 190 cams

[Mat C]

Yes the airbox does make a huge difference - why do you think so many 180 owners run the open cone, inner wing set up ?! It's one of the most effective mods known and for relaively little outlay. :)

[afcbadam]

yes thats why i put with a performance filter on it!

[XPCobra]

the airflow design on the airbox is restricted ( MGR meant this!)

the cams, mapping and airbox are different, it has also been known for cylinder head castings to be different

[afcbadam]

i know the differences. performance filter to me means not the standard air box.

what i was basically saying was: is there a benifit in fitting the 190 cams in to the 180 and having is remapped to suit. would there be a bhp gain, torque gain or just a waste of money

[XPCobra]

but the box can only draw in so much air ( no matter what the filter is, or even if it didnt have a filter)

Too much hastle in my opinion, you could spend slightly more money and go for the piper cams, same work required for fitting and remapping each

[afcbadam]

im not on about the origional box with a element filter in it. im on about a performance open cone filter. i agree its a better idea to go for the piper cams. but was wondering if it was a good idea to use the zt 190 cams that i can pick up for a few quid at the local scrappy ( they aparentally have a set there) or pay £500+ for piper cams. i would rather go for zt190 cams if the gain was similar bhp wise and save myself a lot of pennies. just wondered what benifits they would have on the zs 180 compared to piper cams. if the zt ones offered 10bhp and the piper offer 14 bhp i would go for the 190 cams and the outlay would be about £400 less

[XPCobra]

up 2 u, but your still going to be paying for a £300 remap

i'd study the power graphs between the 180 and 190 engines, find out where each one makes it power and tourque etc etc.

[shroonie29]

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Shroon

[afcbadam]

i can see the torque doesnt drop off in the zt as fast as it does in the 180. i have always thought my 180 was abit flat after 5000 rpm. so would there be much of a benifit?

[shroonie29]

Personally I think if your going to the effort of changing cams you may aswell go for the Piper upgrade

Shroon

[afcbadam]

just trying to save some money shroon. personally if there is only a couple of bhp in it i will go for the 190 cams and save my self 400 odd quid as i dont think that amount of money is worth a coulple of bhp. if there is a big difference between the 190 cams and piper cams i will go the piper route. just trying to establish the difference between them and see how much £££ per bhp im getting