The car is dead....

[Murray203ps]

Well the verdict is out. No 4 piston is buggered and there is no compression in any of the front bank of 3 cylinders.

So i need help. I'm after either a complete secondhand engine or a bottom end from the head gasket down. If anyone can help then i would be most pleased.

Don't really want to have to sell the car but if i can't find an engine thats not gonna pull my pants down over the price then i'll have to.:cry::cry:

HEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPP............................ .....................

[Bobdope2002]

RSM all the way

ive read another of your posts but imo its your only option unless you know of another breaker

[arwilson80]

There was one on eBay that ended just the other night... and i don't think it sold. Thing is - i deleted the link from watched items this morning.

[stamford]

pm R1CSO as he obtained one for his 180 when it became waterlogged. Not sure on what he paid though, what figure do you have in your head Murray?

Sorry to hear that, but it wasn't looking too good from what you said.

[peterzs]

Sorry its dead, but I'm sure that you can source an engine, wouldnt be the same not having to look in the mirrors to get out of your way.:wavecry::wavecry::wavecry:

[Phate]

:cry:

[Dan1971]

Complete engine .... £750 "buy it now."

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/05-MG-ZS-COMPLETE-2-5-V6-ENGINE-ONLY-39K-BREAKING-CAR_W0QQitemZ320355092620QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item320355092620&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

Or can you do anything with a ZT engine ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-MG-ZT-2-5-V6-ENGINE-FOR-SPARES-ONLY-USED_W0QQitemZ220367693528QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Ca rsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item220367693528&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

[arwilson80]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/05-MG-ZS-COMPLETE-2-5-V6-ENGINE-ONLY-39K-BREAKING-CAR_W0QQitemZ320355092620QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item320355092620&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

Is that in a grey ZS? AK Salvage?

'tis the same price BIN as the one i had a link to... If it is he might take a little less seeing it never sold first time around.

[Dave ZS-X]

roverbreakers have them in all the time or if you want a good one then Reyland has a brand new one in stock , zero miles.

[afcbadam]

will a freelander engine fit. if not the rover 75 2.5v6 sells for next to nothing. a friend of the family brought a mint v reg one for £500 from ebay

[Murray203ps]

Cheers for all the help guys. Will try and follow up a couple of leads straight away.

A figure of about 500 quid for a secondhand engine Mick. Just a pain as am going to have swap cams over now but i suppose thats the least of my worries. Wish i had more time on my hands as i'd have a bash at changing it myself.

[arwilson80]

Theres one ending in 1 day 5 hours on the bay... 1st result for a search on my phone for 'KV6 engine' price was extremely low, but worth a look i guess.

[Murray203ps]

Theres one ending in 1 day 5 hours on the bay... 1st result for a search on my phone for 'KV6 engine' price was extremely low, but worth a look i guess.

Will keep an eye on that. Just rung roverbreakers and he can supply and deliver for 690 quid which isn't too bad. Engines are about 35.000 miles.

Does that sound reasonable.

[Phate]

No idea if its reasonable, but my question is any idea what caused this dude?

Too much NOS?

[Murray203ps]

No idea if its reasonable, but my question is any idea what caused this dude?

Too much NOS?

I don't think so phate. The nos was set up properly i.e fuel and nitrous mix and was only set at 25-30 bhp as i got the guy to lower the power last time i had it rolling roaded.

I still think that the timing was out and that has damaged the piston in no4 cylinder and bent a couple of valves elswhere resulting with no compression but i'm no expert.

[Murray203ps]

Theres one ending in 1 day 5 hours on the bay... 1st result for a search on my phone for 'KV6 engine' price was extremely low, but worth a look i guess.

Just had a look but doesn't seem that reliable hence no one bidding. It's done nearly 70,000 miles and he reckons hes looked at big ends to see if they are ok and stuff.

Give it a wide birth i think but thanks anyway.

[Dave ZS-X]

Good opportunity to drop a t series turbo in imo!

[wullie-zs180]

i have a bottom end its broke where 1 of the bolts that hold the sump on but evrything else is perfect you can have it for nuthin if you want it

[Murray203ps]

i have a bottom end its broke where 1 of the bolts that hold the sump on but evrything else is perfect you can have it for nuthin if you want it

Just looking at something else at the mo fella but will keep you in mind. Thats very generous of you. Thanks.:)

[Murray203ps]

Good opportunity to drop a t series turbo in imo!

Will a T series turbo drop straight in and how much can you get them for. Do they attach to the pg1 gearbox.

[Dave ZS-X]

yes quite easy fit apparently, cheap engine to buy and fits straight to pg1 gearbox too.

[wullie-zs180]

nae botha

[grimmy]

Sorry to hear of your troubles mate that is a real boot in the bollocks hope you get a replacement soon,to nice a car to be not running.

[wilko66]

Will a T series turbo drop straight in and how much can you get them for. Do they attach to the pg1 gearbox.

T series will more or less go straight in, you will need the wiring loom from a 420, and An ECu, Then you will need to think about the radiator and intercooler but its not too much work, I think they will go straight on the PG1 box

[Murray203ps]

T series will more or less go straight in, you will need the wiring loom from a 420, and An ECu, Then you will need to think about the radiator and intercooler but its not too much work, I think they will go straight on the PG1 box

Yeah, sounds like too much time and work to sort it out. I wouldn't mind if i only lived a couple of miles from work and had time in the evenings to tinker but i need the car to be able to travel back and forth to kent from dorset to see my partner.:(

I would love to do a turbo conversion tbh. Miss my turbos.

[wilko66]

Yeah, sounds like too much time and work to sort it out. I wouldn't mind if i only lived a couple of miles from work and had time in the evenings to tinker but i need the car to be able to travel back and forth to kent from dorset to see my partner.:(

I would love to do a turbo conversion tbh. Miss my turbos.

If thats the case bud then your quickest option will be a replacement kv6 lump,

[Supercharged_Z]

500-700 quid for a average mile engine,40-70k.


do the belts while doing the cams.

wonder what caused it to fail so bad

[shroonie29]

Gutted for ya mate,
Did it throw a rod like this :(

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss106/lawrence2k/14012007102.jpg
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss106/lawrence2k/14012007101.jpg

Shroon

[afcbadam]

isnt the pg1 fitted to a t series turbo in the 220/420

[Gazza]

Gutted for you mate:cry:

[Murray203ps]

Gutted for ya mate,
Did it throw a rod like this :(

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss106/lawrence2k/14012007102.jpg
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss106/lawrence2k/14012007101.jpg

Shroon
Didn't have any holes in the casings fella. Still reckon it was the timing thats done the damage. Just hope i can get someone to do the work for a reasonable price.:(

[mattie007]

Sorry to hear that mate, such a fantastic looking car aswell.

[chriszs180]

oh no its got to get running again such a nice car and love seeing in my mirrors on brands then screaming past me and into the distance....

[peterzs]

oh no its got to get running again such a nice car and love seeing in my mirrors on brands then screaming past me and into the distance....

You sure that wasnt me!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Murray203ps]

You sure that wasnt me!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

:bow:

[Boot Hill Bandit]

I thought the problem with the KV6 and tuning above 200bhp was the fuelling..........I am sure RSM have pointed to this before........have been told the only sure fire way of getting around the fuelling issues with a 'sorted' KV6 is a standalone ECU.

Might be worth a call to G or a chat with Ross even if you are going to get the car fixed elsewhere?

Best of luck on getting your car fixed though dude........having been there, done that and got the t shirt with The Red Devils engine I know how gutted you must feel.

Jim

[Supercharged_Z]

I thought the problem with the KV6 and tuning above 200bhp was the fuelling..........I am sure RSM have pointed to this before........have been told the only sure fire way of getting around the fuelling issues with a 'sorted' KV6 is a standalone ECU.

Might be worth a call to G or a chat with Ross even if you are going to get the car fixed elsewhere?

Best of luck on getting your car fixed though dude........having been there, done that and got the t shirt with The Red Devils engine I know how gutted you must feel.

Jim

only so much the std ecu will do, however nitrous shouldnt really make to much of a difference as it dosnt need loads more fuel obviously!!!.

but the way it failed sounds weird.. but i do remember Murray saying he was upping the nos due to not making the power and that rung alarm bells back then, even with a reduced shot it wasnt doing what it should imo.

Ross

[Murray203ps]

only so much the std ecu will do, however nitrous shouldnt really make to much of a difference as it dosnt need loads more fuel obviously!!!.

but the way it failed sounds weird.. but i do remember Murray saying he was upping the nos due to not making the power and that rung alarm bells back then, even with a reduced shot it wasnt doing what it should imo.

Ross

Yeah was going to but didn't bother in the end. Even got him to lower the power as it was making the clutch slip badly. Last time it went on the rollers it was 225 with the nitrous on. I really don't believe it was the gas that knackerd it but you never know.

[Murray203ps]

Got a 53 plate engine on the waiting list and just want to know if it's going to be ok in a mark 2 car. Is there any differences or will everything bolt onto it ok.

[Steves Cleenz]

everything is the same, the only engine that is different is from a zt as these have a different fuel rail thats all

[afcbadam]

Got a 53 plate engine on the waiting list and just want to know if it's going to be ok in a mark 2 car. Is there any differences or will everything bolt onto it ok.

thats good news mate. glad its going to be fixed.

[Murray203ps]

everything is the same, the only engine that is different is from a zt as these have a different fuel rail thats all

Thats sweet. Cheers.

Spoke to the guy today and he was looking at a zt engine saying "yeah yeah got one here for a mg zs".

Slightly worrying that he couldn't tell the difference between the 2. Better get the right one.:noexpression:

[Supercharged_Z]

Thats sweet. Cheers.

Spoke to the guy today and he was looking at a zt engine saying "yeah yeah got one here for a mg zs".

Slightly worrying that he couldn't tell the difference between the 2. Better get the right one.:noexpression:

fuel rain inc injectors. and thats about it i think...

[Murray203ps]

Well the guy at roverbreakers has let me down with the engine he said he had. he had 2 apparently. ones got a hole in the block and the other one has a damaged sump. Brilliant, on the hunt again. Really is beginning to become a chore getting it fixed and am seriously thinking it might be better to get rid of it.:unsure:

[shroonie29]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/05-MG-ZS-COMPLETE-2-5-V6-ENGINE-ONLY-39K-BREAKING-CAR_W0QQitemZ320355092620QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item320355092620&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18 Seems like a good deal,includes the gearbox etc

Shroon

[Murray203ps]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/05-MG-ZS-COMPLETE-2-5-V6-ENGINE-ONLY-39K-BREAKING-CAR_W0QQitemZ320355092620QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item320355092620&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18 Seems like a good deal,includes the gearbox etc

Shroon

Yeah good deal but he won't deliver and i've got no way of picking it up. not sure how much that would be to get couriered. A lot i would think. Think it's worth giving him a ring?

[Phate]

Interparcel are worth giving a shout. If not hiring a van and going to get it would probably work out the same.

[Steves Cleenz]

your looking at around £100 for a courier, i know RSM has a few KV6 engines in

[Murray203ps]

your looking at around £100 for a courier, i know RSM has a few KV6 engines in

Are you in touch with rsm as i am not a member on any other site and don't want to be and see what sort of price he's looking at for a decent milage engine(around 30,000 miles if poss). I'm looking at around 650 with delivery.

I would greatly appreciate it.:smile1:

[Phate]

Can PM you his number if you like mate.

[Murray203ps]

Can PM you his number if you like mate.

Would you.

[drroberts490]

I take it your motor is back in kent now Murray, not seen it in the mess carpark for a while, can't the lads at EMS source you a reasonable secondhand one?

[afcbadam]

fuel rain inc injectors. and thats about it i think...

cams and mapping are different to

[Murray203ps]

I take it your motor is back in kent now Murray, not seen it in the mess carpark for a while, can't the lads at EMS source you a reasonable secondhand one?

No it's down the road in bournmouth at the moment after it's diagnostic check. Rang ralph today to see if he had any and i don't think he knows of anybody at the mo. Should be getting taken to the garage whos going to do the work sometime in the next couple of days. Just down the road from 5 tips ranges. Just need a bloody engine now to start the ball rolling.

[Murray203ps]

cams and mapping are different to

Thats ok as the cams are getting replaced anyway. Only going for a 180 engine now...........................................If i can find one.

[Supercharged_Z]

cams and mapping are different to

cams are the same and mapping on any different model will be differnt, not that it matters as he wouldnt be using the zt ecu

[Murray203ps]

cams are the same and mapping on any different model will be differnt, not that it matters as he wouldnt be using the zt ecu

:thumbsup:

[Phate]

Murray - you have a PM :thumbsup:

[drroberts490]

best of luck matey. hope your on the road again soon, bound to be an engine knocking around somewhere, hopefully not knocking too much though!!

[afcbadam]

the cams are different. some people are running them in a 180 as they offer a little gain.

[Murray203ps]

best of luck matey. hope your on the road again soon, bound to be an engine knocking around somewhere, hopefully not knocking too much though!!

LOL. You little tease.:p

[stamford]

Murray, did you not catch this post?

http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=97159#post97159

[Murray203ps]

Murray, did you not catch this post?

http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=97159#post97159

No hadn't seen it. Worth a look when they get it sorted. :thankyou:

[stamford]

Keep calling them just to keep them on their toes!

[Murray203ps]

Keep calling them just to keep them on their toes!

Will do as and when i can get to a phone during the day.lol.:smart:

[Phate]

Want one of us to keep ringing?


I'm sure now Mick has his new job he's bored all day :D

[stamford]

Want one of us to keep ringing?


I'm sure now Mick has his new job he's bored all day :D

Mick's the nice chap who drove to the yard to check it out ;)

[Phate]

Mick's the nice chap who drove to the yard to check it out ;)

Well Mick can be the nicer chap to keep ringing then :osama:

[Murray203ps]

You can if you want(hint,hint).With me teaching all day i find it hard to get to the phone to call anyone. By the time i've finished work everyone has gone home.:D

[Phate]

If I get time I can ring mate :)

BTW - what is it you do dude?

[Murray203ps]

If I get time I can ring mate :)

BTW - what is it you do dude?

If i told you i'd have to kill you...............................and anyone else who reads this post.lol.:sly:

[Phate]

If i told you i'd have to kill you...............................and anyone else who reads this post.lol.:sly:

In otherwords your a charwollah for the Army? :p


I *might* not ring for you now :p

Where has the engine got to be couriered to? :)

[Steves Cleenz]

the cams are different. some people are running them in a 180 as they offer a little gain.

well it must be all in their heads then as the cams are the same

murray ive asked RSM what he has got just waiting for a reply :)

[Supercharged_Z]

the cams are different. some people are running them in a 180 as they offer a little gain.



Honestly there not, its the induction setup on the zt that makes a large amount of the power difference.

[Steves Cleenz]

and exhaust :)

[Murray203ps]

well it must be all in their heads then as the cams are the same

murray ive asked RSM what he has got just waiting for a reply :)

Cheers fella. Have spoken to him and think i might be able to get one. Got to ring tommorrow but just keeping all options open just in case.

[Murray203ps]

In otherwords your a charwollah for the Army? :p


I *might* not ring for you now :p

Where has the engine got to be couriered to? :)

Whats a charwallah?:boxing:

[Phate]

Whats a charwallah?:boxing:

Professional tea boy. :smart:

[Murray203ps]

Professional tea boy. :smart:

Err........no. phate>:shoot:<murray

[Phate]

Err........no. phate>:shoot:<murray

You shooting me with a pure outburst of NOS there? :D

[stamford]

Sounds like Murray plays with lightsabers he does! Teaches people to shoot them he might ;)

[Murray203ps]

Sounds like Murray plays with lightsabers he does! Teaches people to shoot them he might ;)

Oh you're all so funny aren't you. Don't make me get the big guns out.:guns:

[stamford]

ooooo hark at Arnie! :laugh:

Whatever it is you do sounds important and scary at the same time with alot of responsibility.

[Boot Hill Bandit]

LMFAO!!

Good on you Murray for staying positive about things ;) nice to know the community can rally to peoples problems when push comes to shove........makes me feel good at least!

Jim

[Z Scotland]

Hi Murray! Did you get an engine yet ?:hmmm: