who mentioned mk1's, i said rs turbo, cossy ect ect, dont think they were in mk1's:cylon:

because they where the top sellers and thats why they made the high power versions, a lot of people want a "hot hatch" because you can use it for any scenario loading washing machines in ect, but go up the next level to impreza, evo, m5 amg mercedies(excluding the new impreza) all saloons so that argument doesnt really stack up to me in regards of handling, cant really compare complete different manufacturers together and say that means that is the reason a car is quicker, like saying a escort handles better than an evo, completely different chassis ect

I think the reason that hatches get used in rallying is because there normally shorter and so you dont ave another 2 foot of car to clip a wall when your full on power sliding out of a corner :)

yer i get what your saying there m8, but going backwards, the chassis on the z's were initally a civic hatch, so y would u change sumat if it aint broke, granted the saloon looks more like a rover/mg, just thought when they were desining the chassis (honda) they make them to the best they can, then rover come along and slap a boot onit, so that makes me think in my opinion that the hatch is what its ment to be, where as the saloon is a added peice of boot at the back, making it heavier and more prone to fish tailing at high speed in the bends

also suberau are now in a hatch, and they have been there or there abouts in rallying for years, so y they choose the hatch and not stick with the saloon

not a lot of difference in weight tbh, and its not like its just been slapped on it has actually been designed...
dont think you can really just go off a hunch, you really need to go out and drive them both, my car doesnt fishtail about tbh

My old saloon handled just as well as my Hatch so handling wise I doubt there is much if anything in it.

I dont have this problem does any one else with a saloon?

also the 400/45/ZS was based on the honda Honda Domani not released in the uk which was also a saloon!! sooo :p

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when i said slapped on, i didnt mean 2 shadys in a back street garage, obvious its been designed for it, and yer i aint driven a saloon so dont really no what they handle like, but going from experiance, the longer the car the more prone to back end coming at the side of you and saying hello unless its a 4x4, i wanna drive a saloon now to feel what there like haha, i like the look of the saloon so dont think im dissing it, its just ive always been a hatch man, but thats just me, every man/women to there own:box: