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08-04-10, 02:22 PM
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I know that I'm not as mechanically savi as most on here, but isn't there an issue with an MGF being RWD and the ZS front wheel drive ? I take it you just modify the engine a bit to accomodate the driveshaft ?
That being the case .... no-one thought about just putting a V8 in there ?
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08-04-10, 02:25 PM
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There's a guy on rovertech putting the kv6 in a F! There's not a lot of room in them!!
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08-04-10, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan1971
I know that I'm not as mechanically savi as most on here, but isn't there an issue with an MGF being RWD and the ZS front wheel drive ? I take it you just modify the engine a bit to accomodate the driveshaft ?
That being the case .... no-one thought about just putting a V8 in there ?
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Theirs a shed load of people that stuck em in Zr's so im presuming that it'll work (somehow) Nothing silicone and duct tape cant fix im sure haha
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08-04-10, 03:58 PM
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Matt, when I said about the difference between the 145 and 160 engines I meant between the two vvc engines which rover produced. As previously said by EMS the 145 engine was in the F (bar trophy edition which was 160) and BRMs/ 200 Vi whereas the 160 version came in ZR 160s and TF 160s.
Regarding cams as far as i know you can only change the exhaust cam on VVCs, if you want to change the inlet then a solid cam conversion is required which will cost a fair bit of dollar.
Dan, although the F is RWD, the engine is still horizontally mounted as it is mid engined so a similar layout to the zs but obviously powers the rear wheels instead of the front.
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08-04-10, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ZS Phil
Matt, when I said about the difference between the 145 and 160 engines I meant between the two vvc engines which rover produced. As previously said by EMS the 145 engine was in the F (bar trophy edition which was 160) and BRMs/ 200 Vi whereas the 160 version came in ZR 160s and TF 160s.
Regarding cams as far as i know you can only change the exhaust cam on VVCs, if you want to change the inlet then a solid cam conversion is required which will cost a fair bit of dollar.
Dan, although the F is RWD, the engine is still horizontally mounted as it is mid engined so a similar layout to the zs but obviously powers the rear wheels instead of the front.
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What he said!
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08-04-10, 04:41 PM
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You will need to keep the gear box from the ZS, as the gear change linkage is completely different on the MGF. It is, I believe, possible to convert the MGF gear box, but you'll need to move the bits over from the ZS 'box.
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08-04-10, 05:48 PM
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FYI, the engines are 143bhp and 157bhp respectively!
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08-04-10, 06:10 PM
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FYI, the engines are 143bhp and 157bhp respectively!
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lol wasnt too far out then :P What are the differences between them exactly?
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08-04-10, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ZS Phil
lol wasnt too far out then :P What are the differences between them exactly?
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The differences between the 143 VVC in the F and the 160 of the MGF trophy are a slightly better airbox with 2 rather than 1 inlet, a larger 52 mm throttle body, a remapped ECU and I think a freer exhaust.
You can get 160 out of a 143 VVC by fitting a better induction, the bigger throttle, exhaust mods and proberbly most importantly, a remap. You can get the ECU remapped through rally matt (not sure if he is on here, definatly on xpower) or go for an after market one such as emerald.
Does the engine come with the ECU, keys and FOB? If not you'll proberbly need to get one from a ZR160. This might be a good idea anyway as the MGF runs MEMS3 and the mk1 ZS is MEMS5.
As for the gearbox, again consider a ZR box but don't forget they have cable clutch pedels so you'll need to swap bits from your ZS.
A good place for info on this conversion will be metropower as the VVC conversion is popular into the metro/100.
Keep us informed of progress.
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08-04-10, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by talkingcars
The differences between the 143 VVC in the F and the 160 of the MGF trophy are a slightly better airbox with 2 rather than 1 inlet, a larger 52 mm throttle body, a remapped ECU and I think a freer exhaust.
You can get 160 out of a 143 VVC by fitting a better induction, the bigger throttle, exhaust mods and proberbly most importantly, a remap. You can get the ECU remapped through rally matt (not sure if he is on here, definatly on xpower) or go for an after market one such as emerald.
Does the engine come with the ECU, keys and FOB? If not you'll proberbly need to get one from a ZR160. This might be a good idea anyway as the MGF runs MEMS3 and the mk1 ZS is MEMS5.
As for the gearbox, again consider a ZR box but don't forget they have cable clutch pedels so you'll need to swap bits from your ZS.
A good place for info on this conversion will be metropower as the VVC conversion is popular into the metro/100.
Keep us informed of progress.
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Hey! The engine comes with the ECU and wiring loom, But nothing about keys!?!?! isnt it possible to use your own?!
As for the clutch, could u elaborate on that? What would need doing to the gearbox on the zs 120 to make it work with the vvc engine?
All im saying is im really starting to regret getting that keg of heinikein from tesco...
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