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15-01-11, 01:43 PM
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The Alan Gow of OBTCC
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Okay, am moving house in 4 weeks and was thinking it might be an idea to get the engine fitted before moving if possible.
To do this I would like a comprehensive list of things that will need purchased in order to complete the engine swap. I don't want to, on the day, discover I am missing one clip/screw or whatever and be stuck.
So anyone with experience of a straight swap, can you tell me what I will need for the project?
Any specialist tools to do the actual swap? Will there be any bolts/pipes etc that will defo need replaced not reused?
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Belts/tensioners and tools ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Timing-Belt-ki...item3a5b183dcb - this the right one?)
Water pump ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MG-ZS-ZT-V6-KV...item1e5abdbfe6 - seriously this expensive?!)
.....anything else?
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15-01-11, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by smokey
okay, am moving house in 4 weeks and was thinking it might be an idea to get the engine fitted before moving if possible.
To do this i would like a comprehensive list of things that will need purchased in order to complete the engine swap. I don't want to, on the day, discover i am missing one clip/screw or whatever and be stuck.
So anyone with experience of a straight swap, can you tell me what i will need for the project?
Any specialist tools to do the actual swap? Will there be any bolts/pipes etc that will defo need replaced not reused?
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belts/tensioners and tools ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/timing-belt-ki...item3a5b183dcb - this the right one?)
water pump ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mg-zs-zt-v6-kv...item1e5abdbfe6 - seriously this expensive?!)
.....anything else?
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you moving into town blair??
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15-01-11, 04:14 PM
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Engine hoist, jacks, axle stands, all new filters, new oil, antifreeze, gearbox oil, if you loose any when you take drive shafts out.
Dont throw anything away from the first engine till the new ones up and running.
I'd get some assorted jubilee clips, dont know how the fuel pipe comes off, but know O rings can be a difficult to get hold of, expect the pipe can just be unclipped from the filter.
Track rod nut splitter if you have to take drive shafts out, check suspension bushes, might be easier to change if its all split down.
I'd get some plastic tubs, ice cream, butter etc, mark with marker pen, mounting bolts, rad bolts etc as you take them out it all makes sense but if you end up with a big box of bolts its fun trying to remember where they all go back. Allways seem to be one left in the bottom of the box anyway.
This goes back to doing one of the daughters minis, but that was easier as you could just lift the body over the front subframe!!!
If you can take plenty of pictures so you can refer back.
Thats a start, but will plenty I've left off.
Whats the thermostat/housing like, when its out will be easier to do, same as the clutch. I've never pulled an engine out without putting in a new clutch kit, so easy when its all out, but down to the pennies in this case.
Best of luck.
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15-01-11, 09:29 PM
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The Alan Gow of OBTCC
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Wow thanks for the list, pretty extensive and a few things I would never have thought of. More money though lol.
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15-01-11, 09:35 PM
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Wow thanks for the list, pretty extensive and a few things I would never have thought of. More money though lol.
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I'll get plenty of ice cream boxes .........lol
Well that is quite a list when I was in the garage we done a engine transplant on a mondeo and simply took out the old one and put the new one in no changes and then ran it for a half hour to Make sure then I left the garage that day so dunno if it came back
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15-01-11, 11:27 PM
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I guess in theory we could do that but considering it's purpose, best to keep it well maintained.
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16-01-11, 03:07 AM
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The Alan Gow of OBTCC
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Had another though...could be money saving....
I have the receipt for the belt change that was done on the now defunked engine...it was done 4,000 miles ago. The pump was also replaced then so can I just leave that one as is?
Also can I reuse the tensioners for the belts?
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16-01-11, 08:29 AM
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Had another though...could be money saving....
I have the receipt for the belt change that was done on the now defunked engine...it was done 4,000 miles ago. The pump was also replaced then so can I just leave that one as is?
Also can I reuse the tensioners for the belts?
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Well that would mean they are only 6% through there life so I would imagine so
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16-01-11, 10:01 AM
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Life's a gamble, if money was no object, throw everything out and start with good quality new, if its tight go with the alternative.
If its all genuine, think I would leave as is.
Something else you need, will be lifting chains or a couple of strops, I used lifting eyes, that were bolted onto a couple of head bolts. Dont know if the V6 has them, or you need to get them. Or use mounting brackets etc.
Other things I'd get hold of would be a pry bar and a tool for lineing up mounting bolts, like a screwdriver but tapered.
Why you need them is that its so easy to reach down to align, jiggle, free, a sticking bolt/plate/pipe. It only needs the engine to slip, chain to break, someone lean on a wing and a jack slip and whoosh, crushed finger or worse.
Dont think it wont happen, as it does. Lifting out my MGB engine with a hoist, I hadnt run the bolt down all the way in the excitement and bang, shot off into the roof and the engine dropped. Lucky nothing was in the way, but you will be dealing with a heavy lump that will not want to move, and will fight you all the way.
Suppose you need to seal all pipes etc of the new engine, so nothing can fall in when its going in, and try and plug all the pipes on the old engine, as no matter how much has been drained off, there will always be some left to spill on the floor.
Tie off all pipes, wires, cables so they are well out the way, its amazing how one wire can hold the engine, on its way out, or in.
Cant think of anything else and dont want to worry you, but if you havnt pulled an engine out, I'd sooner you know now of the pitfalls. Hope i'm not sounding like i'm trying to teach you to suck eggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16-01-11, 01:07 PM
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The Alan Gow of OBTCC
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Mate, its great to get all the infor from someone who has been there!
And Jim, moving nearer to my work in Crieff....like 2 streets away from it!
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