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17-06-12, 07:10 PM
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...AND a sunroof! That exhaust doesn't look bad either.
Ever considered VVCing one? Could be a prime candidate.
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Funny you should mention that actually, I was chatting to my bro-in-law about VVCing it, I could be a distinct possibility lol
Would that be just a case of VVC engine an loom/ECU and away I go?
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18-06-12, 07:44 AM
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Funny you should mention that actually, I was chatting to my bro-in-law about VVCing it, I could be a distinct possibility lol
Would that be just a case of VVC engine an loom/ECU and away I go?
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I don't know - I've never done it. But I know of someone who has. However I don't think it would be dead straightforward as with the Mk2 the ECU and BSI are coded to one another. You may be able to get almost there and ready to go, but then have your immobiliser chip from your Mk2 ECU soldered into the 160 ECU.
That would certainly give it the power and the looks - in fact with a remap you could be pushing 180bhp from a 4 pot!
Makes you wonder why MG never officially bothered doing it as a proper production run.
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18-06-12, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Enright
in fact with a remap you could be pushing 180bhp from a 4 pot!
Makes you wonder why MG never officially bothered doing it as a proper production run.
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I think you answered your own question there - why would MG want to release a car that competed with its Top of the Range V6 model (ZT190 and ZS180)?... unless they found a way to increase the V6 power first!
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18-06-12, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Enright
I don't know - I've never done it. But I know of someone who has. However I don't think it would be dead straightforward as with the Mk2 the ECU and BSI are coded to one another. You may be able to get almost there and ready to go, but then have your immobiliser chip from your Mk2 ECU soldered into the 160 ECU.
That would certainly give it the power and the looks - in fact with a remap you could be pushing 180bhp from a 4 pot!
Makes you wonder why MG never officially bothered doing it as a proper production run.
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The soldering job, is that something Z and F tuning could do? Coz then they could remap it at the same time. Have you got any links to the bloke that did the conversion first time?
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18-06-12, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dav
The soldering job, is that something Z and F tuning could do? Coz then they could remap it at the same time. Have you got any links to the bloke that did the conversion first time?
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I’m not familiar with Z & F tuning so couldn’t say. I’m sure it would at least be worth a phone call to ask them though.
I’m pretty sure I’ve got a number for the guy – I bumped into him at a scrap-yard in Derby, and apparently he runs another local breaker’s. Again – worth a quick chat to find out more, after all information doesn’t cost anything.
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19-06-12, 07:57 AM
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I’m pretty sure I’ve got a number for the guy (that did the VVC conversion) – I bumped into him at a scrap-yard in Derby, and apparently he runs another local breaker’s. Again – worth a quick chat to find out more, after all information doesn’t cost anything.
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Here we go - the only details I got were the names Dave + Ant and the number 07595 704340 on an oily scrap of paper. The number may not even work - I've never tried it. But if you get the car it could be worth investigating with them.
As far as I would be concerned, the first thing I'd want to know would be if theirs was a Mk1 or Mk2, and what their feelings are about the possibility of a Mk2 VVC conversion.
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19-06-12, 11:02 PM
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Here we go - the only details I got were the names Dave + Ant and the number 07595 704340 on an oily scrap of paper. The number may not even work - I've never tried it. But if you get the car it could be worth investigating with them.
As far as I would be concerned, the first thing I'd want to know would be if theirs was a Mk1 or Mk2, and what their feelings are about the possibility of a Mk2 VVC conversion.
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Thank you for that, I will note it. Still trying to get in contact with the seller, have a sad feeling it's been sold
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13-07-12, 07:00 PM
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Makes you wonder why MG never officially bothered doing it as a proper production run.
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because the cost to produce a vvc unit is more than cost to produce a v6.
MGR had this dilemma with the ZT, a 1.8vvc would have been OK and an option against the 160bhp 2.5. It would have delivered the economy that was desperately needed too, but the vvc would have cost more than the v6, so it was a marketing no go.
That's why they stuck a turbo on a 1.8 in the ZT, it was much cheaper to produce than a vvc, and for the same reasons, marketing a 160bhp zs 1.8 for more money than a 180bhp v6 would not have been logical.
This said, there were a few 160bhp vvc zs's that left the factory.
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14-07-12, 09:33 AM
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I'm with Admiral on a multi-car and they applied my full NCB to my 180 too. £200 fully comp to add it onto the policy with my Mrs' C4 and my BMW.
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14-07-12, 02:48 PM
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because the cost to produce a vvc unit is more than cost to produce a v6.
MGR had this dilemma with the ZT, a 1.8vvc would have been OK and an option against the 160bhp 2.5. It would have delivered the economy that was desperately needed too, but the vvc would have cost more than the v6, so it was a marketing no go.
That's why they stuck a turbo on a 1.8 in the ZT, it was much cheaper to produce than a vvc, and for the same reasons, marketing a 160bhp zs 1.8 for more money than a 180bhp v6 would not have been logical.
This said, there were a few 160bhp vvc zs's that left the factory.
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They were also looking to replace the VVC and use a 1.8T across the range, with the EU emissions laws that were coming in at the time, the VVC engine didnt meet the requirements. Another reason for the use of the 1.8T's was because the tourqe was much lower in the rev range compared to the VVC engines making it more suited to the heavier ZT and 75 models.
ZandF tuning should be able to get round it, specially as they did a lot of work on the engine management.
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