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Old 21-09-12, 07:15 AM   #1
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didnt think it was worth getting non turbo cars remapped
how much power can the get out of a 180 with mild mods?

(Also we should do a club dyno day )
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Old 21-09-12, 08:37 AM   #2
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didnt think it was worth getting non turbo cars remapped
how much power can the get out of a 180 with mild mods?

(Also we should do a club dyno day )
Not wanting to open a can of worms here we are not talking big figures as already mentioned but improving the standard map which is poor when analysed. I was happy with the changes so for me was worth the money when compared with what gains manifolds can give considering their costs.

From a rough average standard of 177 mine rose to around 191 with decat, cat back exhaust and a BMC CDA induction, when remapped this rose by another 9-10 so in my book not too bad. However as said the top end is where the changes were seen as the AFR was poor on the standard map.

Bottom line is the figures are for pub talk.
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Old 21-09-12, 09:03 AM   #3
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Bottom line is the figures are for pub talk.
Meaning it's all about the afr/smoother drive? I would like to be sure my afr is right and get a bit more grunt/mpg. So long as all is healthy and it feels nicer to drive I don't care what the actual numbers are* but to put the effect of the map into perspective, assuming:

175 standard
+ induction = 185
+ full exhaust = 195
+ remap = 205???

Aiming at low/midrange not top end as it's a daily driver. Also my MIL appeared the other day. Do I get this sorted, map round it, or ignore it??
Does one opt for power/mpg high/low end or is it a case of just 'better'? I assume worse emissions is the downside, pah. I read that our 227g/km would be more like 200 using todays testing methods so I figure I've got 10% to play with for the tax we pay

Good idea to service the car before going eh, my plugs are at leat 2 years old.


*If i pull 160 on the first run I'll be mad. Better pack my soldering iron...
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Old 21-09-12, 09:19 AM   #4
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Not sure what figures would be seen if manis are fitted, still guess around 200 maybe a little more, each car is different. Economy will improve slightly but will only be noticed when driven sensibly! It will also be a little smoother. It won't be noticed straight off as most will be experiencing placebo when driving home, it's a natural thing. Over time you will notice the difference when things settle down and the novelty has worn off when fed up visiting the pumps!
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If i can manage to get mine done whenever this happens I would be pleased with it hitting close to the 200 area tbh. Either way just knowing the car was performing better than it has before would be enough to please me
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Not wanting to open a can of worms here we are not talking big figures as already mentioned but improving the standard map which is poor when analysed. I was happy with the changes so for me was worth the money when compared with what gains manifolds can give considering their costs.

From a rough average standard of 177 mine rose to around 191 with decat, cat back exhaust and a BMC CDA induction, when remapped this rose by another 9-10 so in my book not too bad. However as said the top end is where the changes were seen as the AFR was poor on the standard map.

Bottom line is the figures are for pub talk.
Coolio I was just wondering as my car already has a Superchips remap (was like it when I brought the car) and wondered what sort of increase you get.
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Coolio I was just wondering as my car already has a Superchips remap (was like it when I brought the car) and wondered what sort of increase you get.
Superchips are only valid for standard cars as it is a generic map. A remap is where the map is interrogated and adjusted to suit the mods already done. The superchip does not know what mods you have had fitted, therefore it is mapped against what?

Matt uses my base map as the way in and checks this with what has been done and adjusts it accordingly. No two cars are ever the same so there will be differences. Some are good some are not so.
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Superchips are only valid for standard cars as it is a generic map. A remap is where the map is interrogated and adjusted to suit the mods already done. The superchip does not know what mods you have had fitted, therefore it is mapped against what?

Matt uses my base map as the way in and checks this with what has been done and adjusts it accordingly. No two cars are ever the same so there will be differences. Some are good some are not so.
Its mapped against a standard zs180.
Its still better than a standard map because as you said the standard map isn't all that good. A custom remap would be better and thats where my money would of been spent but as I said its had been done when I brought the car and im not going to spend another £150+ to gain 4-5bhp

Superchips claim there's a 12bhp increase on the zs180 but I think we all know thats utter poo they claim there's a 8bhp increase on the st170 (bluefin)
but youll only get 5bhp if your lucky.
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Its mapped against a standard zs180.
Its still better than a standard map because as you said the standard map isn't all that good. A custom remap would be better and thats where my money would of been spent but as I said its had been done when I brought the car and im not going to spend another £150+ to gain 4-5bhp

Superchips claim there's a 12bhp increase on the zs180 but I think we all know thats utter poo they claim there's a 8bhp increase on the st170 (bluefin)
but youll only get 5bhp if your lucky.
Mine had a superchip map fitted before I owned it, and apparently the car actually dropped in power so it was removed. Had the chip with the map on somewhere but think I threw it out one day.

Need to speak to Matt as not sure if Murray had him map it already
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Mine had a superchip map fitted before I owned it, and apparently the car actually dropped in power so it was removed. Had the chip with the map on somewhere but think I threw it out one day.

Need to speak to Matt as not sure if Murray had him map it already
It pulls very well had a few ex zs owners drive it and say the same but its hard to tell
might have to take it to hitech and get it on the rollers
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