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Old 26-07-07, 06:56 PM   #11
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'garythesnail' when you say Vectra V6, are you referring to the 2.8L VXR? When it comes time to change i'm thinking of a VXR Vectra (a bit away as i need to give them a little time to depreciate ) so all info appreciated....
Cue more laughter............

No, I'm referring to the previous generation 2.5L cars from a low speed rolling start. Back end seems very wobbly on roundabouts.

Good point about the depreciation (let someone else take the hit, but hell, what do I know? - I bought a brand new ZS180 HA!) The current model Vectra seems to be a bigger car than the old model, and a lot bigger than a ZS though - are you going to be able to cope with all that extra elbow room and all the toys and gadgets?.

I really like the technology involved in the Traction Control sytem on my ZS though - If I put my foot down, I get more power, if I lift off, I seem to get less power - it works really well

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Old 26-07-07, 08:50 PM   #12
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all depends on what mods the other cars have got but ive kept up with an focus st before he was a little surprised when i wsa still behind him
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Old 30-07-07, 12:55 AM   #13
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You should of easily disposed of a focus st.

Test drove one a while back and the handling is pants.

Infact i would go on to say it was frightening.

Leon cupras are heavy and if you get the jump on him its game over and a win for the ZS.

Steer clear of clios they tend to be driven by idiots.

Uk WRX are the pants If you want a jap car buy a import.
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Old 30-07-07, 05:44 AM   #14
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When the Astra VXR first came out I tried to keep up with one.......................needless to say it was pretty quick in a straight line and didn't seem too bad in the corners either. I gave up and then read up on the spec, no wonder, they have 240 on tap.

The ones that worry me are the derv ones! Bloody things are too quick these days!
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Uk WRX are the pants If you want a jap car buy a import.
Mrs. Snail would argue the toss on that one. Her new 2.5 WRX (not STi) is a quicker car than the ZS, a lot closer to the ZS on handling than her 2002 bug-eye WRX (again, not STi).

£15k European import (just about £500 more than I paid for my ZS180 in 2005) is a faster, better value car than my ZS. 235 BHP, 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, 4WD, sharp handling, four seats and a proper boot.....................one hell of a shopping car.

................and it comes with a warranty too (so did my ZS, but only for 3 weeks for some strange reason)

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Mrs. Snail would argue the toss on that one. Her new 2.5 WRX (not STi) is a quicker car than the ZS, a lot closer to the ZS on handling than her 2002 bug-eye WRX (again, not STi).

£15k European import (just about £500 more than I paid for my ZS180 in 2005) is a faster, better value car than my ZS. 235 BHP, 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, 4WD, sharp handling, four seats and a proper boot.....................one hell of a shopping car.

................and it comes with a warranty too (so did my ZS, but only for 3 weeks for some strange reason)

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Agreed but alot of ZS 180 owners picked up there cars for 5-7k and with a little spent on them 2-3k can make the wrx look quite expensive.

0-60 in less than 6 secs hmm theres MG ZS 180s can do that in less with less BHP.

I bought my 180 with a substantial warranty for £7k and after a little spending £2-3k i have never had any problems in keeping up with a wrx.

As far as the handling goes You havent driven the 180 to its true potential.

I have many friends with scoobys etc and all of them are quite astounded at the capabilities of the MG ZS 180.
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As they always say, 'you pay your money-you takes your choice'...........

There are better cars out there, it comes down to personal choice and if we need to be part of that 'it crowd'. I agree, the Subaru is a great package, but not for me, I prefer the 'underdog' as it were. I have never been one to have a car because it is the one to be 'scene' in! The 180 fits me just fine, always liked them and I don't really care what others think, pound for pound I doubt if you can get a better car for the money.
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Don't get me wrong gents, there's two sets of keys hanging up and I only ever reach for the set with MG printed on. It 'feels' better to drive, but that is my opinion. Somehow, I think that others here may feel the same (just a guess).

Please don't take this the 'wrong way', but I'm not convinced that there's a ZS out there which is as reliable as an Impreza which will do regular sub 6 second 0-60 runs. What spec are these cars running at? Are we talking no interior trim and superchargers? I understand that a ZS would be able to do 'more' with less power due to fewer frictional losses and lower kerb weight though (but initial traction with 4wd is difficult to compete with)

I may not have driven the ZS to its full potential but neither have I driven the WRX to the same extent. I have however given the 2002 WRX as much stick as the MG and the WRX is the faster car. The 2.5 WRX will be quicker again (roll on 1000 mile service and 7000rpm!)

The WRX hasn't been bought as a fashion accessory either. The first one was purchased after 12 years of marriage and saving up after Mrs. Snail worked her wotsits off to get herself through University after raising three Kids from a time when we were barely schoolkids ourselves (I'm sure father in law still hasn't forgiven me 19 years on!), missing out on further education first time around to 'do the right thing'. After years of struggling along, things turned around with the pair of us in half decent jobs with no other 'vices' ( yep, we're pretty boring).

We decided to buy a 'family' car with a bit of poke, she chose the WRX after test driving a 2-year old model. The car did 50k in 5 years without letting us down. It had one warranty job (gearbox bearings - that could've been expensive if it happened six months later!) and, erm, 'took one up the rear' as it were, from a Citroen Berlingo when Mrs. was on the way to work at a standstill in a queue in the outside lane on the M4. Mr. Bloody Citroen wasn't paying quite as much attention as Mrs. Snail ("tosser" I thought, but "how close have I come on a couple of occasions?" I said to myself) and ploughed in to the car, pushing it in to the car in front. Result - £6k+ repair bill for insurer and no damage to Mrs. Snail (the car was driven on to the back of the recovery wagon and the crumpled boot and bonnet both opened and closed perfectly). This played a big part in her decision to buy a new one - along with knowing she didn't want a lexus or BMW after watching them struggle in the snow as she wafted past.

Both these cars offer as much 'bang for buck' as anything out there and the fella buying the second hand subaru will have the faster car, whereas the guy with the ZS180 will have the newer car. Spending a couple of grand on the Impreza (or any other turbo charged car, diesels and all!) will reap greater 'power' rewards than spending the same amount on a ZS. This, however, misses the point of a ZS - handling. It's ability in the twisties(maybe this applies more to a 120 than a 180 too with less weight up front) is a bit better than an Impreza, but show a hint of a straight and the Subaru claws anything lost - and more - back.

I maintain that 'driver involvement' is greater in the ZS and it is more enjoyable as a result. I do see both cars in a similar light though - the 'straight' (err - not sure there's a 'gay' one )WRX is the poor relation to the STi and not directly comparable to Evos, M3's, Mercs and baby Porsches, but so very nearly as fast as these 'more expensive to buy' and 'much more expensive to run' bits of machinery.

I'll be keeping my ZS for a loooong time.

It makes me smile every time I walk towards it, never mind actually driving it.

All the best,

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Blimey - I wrote shorter essays all those years ago in O level History exams than that - this fact may explain the D grade though.
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