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[carmadbaker]

Seen as we are on the subject of variable valves engine conversions... Have always been curious why no one ever had a go at dropping a Honda k20 into a ZS? Older civics (same chassis as ZS) get k20 conversions fairly regularly, so must be off the shelf engine mounts etc. Could go even harder and drop a K24 in there! Supercharged k20 is well over 300bhp...
Only reason i saw NOT to do it was purely cost!

[Dan1971]

Originally Posted by carmadbaker

Seen as we are on the subject of variable valves engine conversions... Have always been curious why no one ever had a go at dropping a Honda k20 into a ZS? ......
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Only reason i saw NOT to do it was purely cost!

Think you answered your own question there pal ....

[Supercharged_Z]

Originally Posted by Dan1971

Think you answered your own question there pal ....

George did a vvc ZS, it was ok, flew around track to be fair.

The biggest thing was how light the front end was compared to a 180.. It really had a nice precise turn in, which says as lot as i dont think the 180 is bad.

[JOHNDQ]

What good would that sort of power be in a ZS tho you wouldn't be able to use it all be lost though wheel spinning

[Mark S]

Originally Posted by carmadbaker

Could go even harder and drop a K24 in there! Supercharged k20 is well over 300bhp...
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k24's no harder than a k20, k24 285bhp nasp!

Originally Posted by JOHNDQ

What good would that sort of power be in a ZS tho you wouldn't be able to use it all be lost though wheel spinning

not if the jobs done properly, granted most diy/pseudo professional attempts built with a box of 'off the shelf' shiny bits are rarely much cop, but a well designed conversion will be both tractable and drivable

[carmadbaker]

Originally Posted by JOHNDQ

What good would that sort of power be in a ZS tho you wouldn't be able to use it all be lost though wheel spinning

If your clever with your right foot any power level is manageable, with 322bhp on tap i can't remember the last time i had an uncontrollable wheel spin? And thats driving hard.

Originally Posted by talkingcars

Dropping a Honda engine into a ZS is more than mating the engine to the gearbox, the engines are on the wrong side for a start.

Granted, but most parts are available easily from old Hondas? Drive shaft would be tricky but I would imagine something is available. Not as easy as a T16, VVC or turbo K but.... Do able

[Mark S]

Originally Posted by carmadbaker

If your clever with your right foot any power level is manageable, with 322bhp on tap i can't remember the last time i had an uncontrollable wheel spin? And thats driving hard.

there is honda civic I know of with 560bhp (low boost, higher boost is over 800bhp) and its as drivable as any other car regardless of the right foot, the power delivery from the engine and its mapping make it easy to drive and even with such fast acceleration the chassis design prevented it from lighting up its wheels and steering itself to the nearest ditch.
That was was a complete car design tho, rather than just chucking in a bigbhp motor into an otherwise unmodified car.


The k conversions would be hard work with lots of custom parts.

The b16 motor such as used on the mb civic should be easy enough? The b18 is essentially the same thing as found in the teg (which is similar also).
The b18 nasp will tune to 285bhp (I know of one out there and its fast)

Problem with a fancy honda motor in the zs is it will always be a 4/5 door zs and carry the weight, the honda eg/ek/dc2 came as 3 doors and were lighter, the eg weighing in at sub 900kg.

[redzed]

Zs doors don't weigh a lot when stripped though I've not weighed my zs yet but am aiming at 950kgs ish, not a massive amount off?

Originally Posted by Mark S

there is honda civic I know of with 560bhp (low boost, higher boost is over 800bhp) and its as drivable as any other car regardless of the right foot, the power delivery from the engine and its mapping make it easy to drive and even with such fast acceleration the chassis design prevented it from lighting up its wheels and steering itself to the nearest ditch.
That was was a complete car design tho, rather than just chucking in a bigbhp motor into an otherwise unmodified car.


The k conversions would be hard work with lots of custom parts.

The b16 motor such as used on the mb civic should be easy enough? The b18 is essentially the same thing as found in the teg (which is similar also).
The b18 nasp will tune to 285bhp (I know of one out there and its fast)

Problem with a fancy honda motor in the zs is it will always be a 4/5 door zs and carry the weight, the honda eg/ek/dc2 came as 3 doors and were lighter, the eg weighing in at sub 900kg.

[talkingcars]

Originally Posted by carmadbaker

Seen as we are on the subject of variable valves engine conversions... Have always been curious why no one ever had a go at dropping a Honda k20 into a ZS? Older civics (same chassis as ZS) get k20 conversions fairly regularly, so must be off the shelf engine mounts etc. Could go even harder and drop a K24 in there! Supercharged k20 is well over 300bhp...
Only reason i saw NOT to do it was purely cost!

Dropping a Honda engine into a ZS is more than mating the engine to the gearbox, the engines are on the wrong side for a start.