Saloon vs hatch

[ZS]

Originally Posted by Enright

I have the hatch style Extreme spoiler on mine, but it can be a bit of a pain on the motorway because it goes right across your field of vision in the mirror and obscures the view of things behind. So I find myself scooching down or stretching up to try to see indicators etc (yes you DO have to be aware of what is behind as well as what’s in front)!!!.

I found with the Hatch extreme spoiler (all my ZS's have had the extreme versions of the spoilers...) that the very top bit (that kinda flicks up) catches the sun perfectly, then reflects it to the rear view mirror and this in turn reflects it very nicely into my eyes... lol the only solution was to "dip" the mirror

[Ritchy]

Originally Posted by pete mufc bowker

the hatch is better on handling and lighter, and its a well proven fact ie.. when ford had the escort (hatch), and the orion (saloon), why did they make the escort rs turbo, and rs cosworth in the hatch and not saloon, when vauxhall relisead the astra (hatch) and the belmont (saloon) y did they choose the astra for the gte 16v treatment and the gsi tratment, dont get me wrong i like the look of the saloon, but the hatch win's it for me everytime, who cares about the little bit extra boot space, what the hell do u want to put in there anyway

Saloon supposidly has better handling because the rear brace makes it stiiffer at the back, tbh doubt theres very little difference between them round a track

[redzed]

Originally Posted by petet16

The saloon shell is stiffer than the hatch so handles better, that's why the saloon went touring car racing.

Not true i'm afraid, on a standard shell the saloon is stiffer but also heavier, wsr spent 800 man hours making adjustments to the shell and as you see with other hatch in btcc standard shell stiffness isn't an issue as they do so much work to them. The saloon was chosen apparently for political reasons, wsr told me this because it is less like the Honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover. The hatch is lighter and has a better drag co-efficiency. the saloon is standard or near standard stiffer and apparently has less under steer. but its an age old argument which will probably never die!

[petet16]

Originally Posted by redzed

Not true i'm afraid, on a standard shell the saloon is stiffer but also heavier, wsr spent 800 man hours making adjustments to the shell and as you see with other hatch in btcc standard shell stiffness isn't an issue as they do so much work to them. The saloon was chosen apparently for political reasons, wsr told me this because it is less like the Honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover. The hatch is lighter and has a better drag co-efficiency. the saloon is standard or near standard stiffer and apparently has less under steer. but its an age old argument which will probably never die!

I agree, which is why MGR built 2 versions of ZS, cos we all have different tastes in cars.

[Steven11]

Originally Posted by redzed

Not true i'm afraid, on a standard shell the saloon is stiffer but also heavier, wsr spent 800 man hours making adjustments to the shell and as you see with other hatch in btcc standard shell stiffness isn't an issue as they do so much work to them. The saloon was chosen apparently for political reasons, wsr told me this because it is less like the Honda hatch and therefore a saloon is more mg/rover. The hatch is lighter and has a better drag co-efficiency. the saloon is standard or near standard stiffer and apparently has less under steer. but its an age old argument which will probably never die!

How that's what i call product Knowledge. I just love this forum, theres no information MG related that you cant here. brilliant

[waynester]

We will never achieve the 'definitive' answer, purely because we will all defend our own.
A saloon owner is no more going to slag his car & praise the hatch, than hatch owners doing the same.

Had I bought a saloon I may well be standing on my soapbox shouting how great the saloon is.
I ended up with the hatch..because it was a bloody good bargain, & she looked great all polished with her straights!

For me personally..& I mentioned this earlier in this thread, I wanted to avoid the saloon because I have just spent 5 years owning an E39 BMW saloon.. so the last thing I wanted was..another saloon!

I did look at a blue saloon with big extreme spoiler down in Southend, but was to much for what I wanted to pay. Plus, my mate who gave me a lift said...its trying to hard to copy a Subaru Impreza.. Not that that would have stopped me buying it had I wanted it.


I understand what the extreme spoiler on the saloon is, but what is the extreme spoiler on the hatch?
My mk1 180 rear spoiler is stepped/cranked up at each end, is that it? I'm sure I saw a smaller spoiler on a hatch before?

[Quadcam24]

if i had a pound for every time ive read " the saloon handles better cause its stiffer".....
complete rammel and proven on many tracks many times over.
Standard hatch is quicker a to b than standard saloon, having said that the difference is not worth argueing about

[Jay-ZS+]

Originally Posted by waynester

I understand what the extreme spoiler on the saloon is, but what is the extreme spoiler on the hatch?

Saloon Extreme---------------------------------------------Hatch Extreme


Hatch Low level


And just to confuse you further Saloon Extreme on Hatch

[petet16]

Originally Posted by Quadcam24

if i had a pound for every time ive read " the saloon handles better cause its stiffer".....
complete rammel and proven on many tracks many times over.
Standard hatch is quicker a to b than standard saloon, having said that the difference is not worth argueing about

You have your opinion and I have mine, they differ.

[WalkerDnB]

Originally Posted by Jay-ZS+

that a photo shop or has it been done?