MG respect?

[Mat C]

Hehe, my point about a ZS180's power (all 175 bhp of it) is that for some reason we seem to think that's powerful. A 2 litre 4 pot Clio Sport has more power than that, 22bhp more to be exact yet we never hear of them being crowned bad drivers. I really do think that driving an MG does bring aout a certain degree of arrogance and this strange belief that we are driving sub-supercars! 175 bhp is not fast, no way. My old 400+bhp Cosworth, now that was fast and would show anyone this side of a 911 Turbo what real speed was.
Oh, Murray - if you think that even with 203ps that you could beat an 888 Astra Diesel around a track then be my guest! It has the same BHP as what you have but with 330 lbft (not NM !!) makes it incredibly quick through the gears. 0-60 is quicker than ours, 0-100 is quicker than ours and every in gear time is faster than ours. They are only marginaly slower around a race track than a VXR Astra but in the real world they would leave a VXR for dead plus they don't suffer the torque steer that VXR's do because 888 engineering have all but eliminated it.

[Southern Storm]

Originally Posted by Mat C

Hehe, my point about a ZS180's power (all 175 bhp of it) is that for some reason we seem to think that's powerful. A 2 litre 4 pot Clio Sport has more power than that, 22bhp more to be exact yet we never hear of them being crowned bad drivers. I really do think that driving an MG does bring aout a certain degree of arrogance and this strange belief that we are driving sub-supercars! 175 bhp is not fast, no way. My old 400+bhp Cosworth, now that was fast and would show anyone this side of a 911 Turbo what real speed was.
Oh, Murray - if you think that even with 203ps that you could beat an 888 Astra Diesel around a track then be my guest! It has the same BHP as what you have but with 330 lbft (not NM !!) makes it incredibly quick through the gears. 0-60 is quicker than ours, 0-100 is quicker than ours and every in gear time is faster than ours. They are only marginaly slower around a race track than a VXR Astra but in the real world they would leave a VXR for dead plus they don't suffer the torque steer that VXR's do because 888 engineering have all but eliminated it.

Right I know what you mean. And some valid points. Maybe it isn't fast but it is agreeably quick with good handling and looks.
If you really don't rate it..... why on earth have you still got one? We have enough of other people slating them without fellow owners doing the same.

[Mat C]

You don't get what i'm getting at ! I've not once said their's anything wrong with the ZS180 in my statement, i have just pointed out that technology and engine developement has moved on leaps and bounds and that despite what we think, our cars just aren't quick in the grand scheme of things. I love my ZS180, good looks, corners well enough to keep me out of ditches and has enough power (just) to overtake lorries on busy A roads. But you have to admit that even basic rep mobiles are now punching well above their weight and can give us a good pasting ! My absolute point is - we need to get this idea out of our heads that we are driving some kind of fast car because the stark truth is we aren't - we just drive a nice V6 engined car wearing a combat uniform.

[henocsr]

Originally Posted by Mat C

Hehe, my point about a ZS180's power (all 175 bhp of it) is that for some reason we seem to think that's powerful. A 2 litre 4 pot Clio Sport has more power than that, 22bhp more to be exact yet we never hear of them being crowned bad drivers. I really do think that driving an MG does bring aout a certain degree of arrogance and this strange belief that we are driving sub-supercars! 175 bhp is not fast, no way. My old 400+bhp Cosworth, now that was fast and would show anyone this side of a 911 Turbo what real speed was.
Oh, Murray - if you think that even with 203ps that you could beat an 888 Astra Diesel around a track then be my guest! It has the same BHP as what you have but with 330 lbft (not NM !!) makes it incredibly quick through the gears. 0-60 is quicker than ours, 0-100 is quicker than ours and every in gear time is faster than ours. They are only marginaly slower around a race track than a VXR Astra but in the real world they would leave a VXR for dead plus they don't suffer the torque steer that VXR's do because 888 engineering have all but eliminated it.

Driving around a nice smooth track is one thing, put the 888 astra on to a normal british b road and with its rock hard suspension and 18 inch wheels, it will be all over the place, and then turn the tc and esp off, so it is the same as the ZS, and you would see how good the chassis really is, or not as the case will be. i speak from experince