Zs180s not as quick as modern cars now?? - Page 4

Maxfly · 17-10-13, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by petet16

I don't see how you can compare the zs whose spec is as the same as it was in 2001 and has been out of production since 2005, with a car built in 2007 that probably cost a great deal more £££ than a zs.

Having made the above statement the 180 always felt short of a few bhp to me, and I'm sure had MGR had a decent budget available they'd have addressed that issue.

Have to say I agree with all the above, I am aware of exactly what the ZS is and its limitations. It is of a different era compared to latest generation hot hatches so I expect them to show me a clean pair of heels

Also going from a ZS with breathing mods to a standard one alway has me thinking how much they feel strangled so that as we know is easy to rectify.

Dan1971 · 17-10-13, 11:26 AM

Cards on the table - I've been looking at the new breed of hot hatches up to a year old.

208 GTi - Fiesta ST 180 - Polo GTi - Fabia VRS - Clio sport.

All of them are around 180 brake - but none any better just under 7 seconds 0-60. Where they do seem better is in terms of refinement, fuel efficiency and co2.

A Polo GTi's quoted worst fuel consumption is 38.

But ....

All of the above - bar the Fabia - are 15K + That is 10 times the cost of my ZS.

And where we wonder about how ours compare against normal looking maotors, I've been keeping an eye on the MG6s at Motorpoint. On their site I've come across a Focus Zetec, pretty average looking, but it has a 1.6 ecotec turbo 180bhp engine fitted !

Mat C · 18-10-13, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan1971

Can't compare a ZS with an S3 Audi. An average van .... Rubbish.

Wasn't comparing the Audi to the MG, i was merely stating that it's the difference between a fast car and an average car. And i'm guessing you havn't driven a modern van? A 1.7tdi Vauxhall Combi or Astramax will easily keep up with or beat a ZR105/ZS110. And my Merc Vito will blast them into the middle of next week. People, honestly you need to realise MG's are just NOT fast, why do you think so many of us resort to tuning the damn things - it's to give us a fleeting chance of keeping up with other cars!!!

tcb 180 · 18-10-13, 07:29 AM

kev mocho if you are not too impressed you have a bit of a problem going on there with that car? My old one had a de cat, induction and a re map and was 194bhp on the printout.

As for Rx8's I had a ding dong with one early one morning up a mile or so stretch of motorway and it was embarassing for him.

Don't want to open that old can of worms, but also had a second gear off roundabout tussle with a ctr. Although he was with me for a little while he too was done after a quarter of a mile.

Mat C · 16-10-13, 08:38 PM

Proving that V6's are a waste of space and a turbo'd 4 pot is the way to go!!

Skillen · 16-10-13, 08:51 PM

Unless you like anything smooth revving.
My brothers megane RS is so rough sounding.

Rattly 4 pot.

Turbo 4 pot is also the way to go to reduce emissions.

I'd rather have displacement tbh.

Mat C · 16-10-13, 09:03 PM

2.5 is hardly a large displacement! But that rattly Renault will show most cars a clean pair of heels, any time, any place! Plus the handling is extraordinary! Imagine if the engineers had been sober when they designed the top of the range ZS, we'd have had a cracking turbo 4 pot with at least 200bhp to shove it beyond the old 200 'Tomcat' turbo. A few hundred quid spent and we'd have easily achieved 250+ bhp. But no, they though a thirsty, unclean, heavy V6 was the way to go! It's a good thing that stuff like economy, power and speed don't bother me that much or my 180 would have gone long ago!

Skillen · 16-10-13, 09:19 PM

So smooth though

Oh it's rapid.
Got the joys of taking it to work with me while he was on holiday.
It's a great car. The 19's took a bit of getting used to though. So harsh on bumps!

Makes 100 feel like 50 as it gets there too easily.
Throttle response is a lot different though its weird waiting for it on normal driving but when you cane it and turn it to sport it really livens up.

Still I prefer the smooth 6pot.

R8NMG · 17-10-13, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mat C

But no, they though a thirsty, unclean, heavy V6 was the way to go!

To be fair back in the late 90s when the ZS was being designed, no one really care much about economy and environment. Big engines were the thing to have.

Mat C · 16-10-13, 09:25 PM

I'd take the Renault any day! Though saying that, after driving around in a 350+BHP Audi S3 for a while that would win hands down! 0-60 was easily about 4.5 due to that awesome Quattro chassis, the 6 speed box had instant power at any time, any gear - even 6th at 'motorway speeds' - boot it and it's gone! Not bad considering 12K will get you a decent tuned one!