I've caused a bit of chaos on the Astra forum...

[POMPSKI]

The 1.9 Fiat engine is beautiful for a diesel, had it in my Bravo, 40,000 miles trouble free bar an egr valve that was changed under warranty. Generally the water pump failures only come about when owners didnt get the belts changed on time.

[wilko66]

i'm with you, makes sense to me Ross. But you are getting old

[Steven11]

Vauxhalls

[Din]

Originally Posted by Steven11

Vauxhalls

I quite agree... though we have one, with perhaps the most rubbish engine .. Z22se.

Yup the family Zafira, i bought that with a spun big end on number 1 cylinder, they have nasty issues with timing chain failure oh and use oil like its going out of fashion.

I think ill stick to my 620ti and at some point soon the T16 ZS.

[Dan1971]

Well - I'll throw in my tuppenceworth.

What if they cant get the bigger one to start with ? I don't know anything about the VX diesel engines to be honest.

And if it applies to them - why do any of the 110 / 120 ZS boys tune theirs up ? Why don't they go for the V6 straight away ? Why bother with all that mapping, VVC bits, decat bits etc etc ...

If they've got a 1.7 - and they are happy with it, and they want to tune them a bit - up to them - and good on them for trying.

Not saying that starting with a bigger engine isn't the most sensible way - ofcourse it is - but - let them crack on if they are happy ....

[peterzs]

Bit like me Dan, with the Derv.

Love the looks of the 180, but know if I had one it would be foot flat to the metal, wheel spin on take off and looking over my shoulder for the flashing lights.

So I went for a Derv with all the kit, but........... found it a bit sluggish, so tweaked it here and there.

Now its wheel spin and burning rubber!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus the cheaper road tax and extra mpg, come into the equation.

[Quadcam24]

what you said does make sense from a monetary perspective alone but folk want to modify their cars regardless.
sometimes folk cant afford the bigger engined car to start with but later on they come in to some money and it can be cheaper to just pep up the
car you have instead of swapping...at least if its a turbo , if its nasp then just get rid imo.
Its like folk who spend money modding the zs 120 or the td, they can spend more than the cars worth and still not even equal a standard 180, but the thing is you get attached to your car.
I learned for myself that modifying a car is akin to throwing money in the dustbin, ok you get the enjoyment, but when it comes to selling its usually just money lost.
So i decided in future i would always buy a car i could be happy with, that would do everything i wanted without needing to modify it.
A lot of so called performance mods are a complete waste of money anyway despite what the sellers claim.

[Din]

Originally Posted by Quadcam24

So i decided in future i would always buy a car i could be happy with, that would do everything i wanted without needing to modify it.

Hence a 335i... please say its an e92 ?

If i could afford any car, that is exactly what i would have !

Bar the early turbo wastegate rattle issue (which takes a fair bit of labour to sort) they are the mutts nuts.

[Supercharged_Z]

Times have changed indeed

Between a few members in the old XPF days I would be scared about the cash we have spent on our cars and lost when they are not worth anything second hand.

This is not putting any car down but the past 7 years in cars has been monumental in development and what you get as as standard package has improved as has technology.

Why spend big money modifying a car to be as fast as a superior car in the first place. Just buy the better car.

Im about to drop a load of cash on a 335D. This is a diesel car that remaped will develop 350 bhp on 750 nm of torque.. a road car...

Ok my car is quite specialist but nowadays you have to look at the cost of everything for what it gives.

[tcb 180]

We got a 1.7 dti estate 51 plate little cracker and we can't get it to do under 50mpg. AND it's staying that way. Why bother as you've all stated??????