Zs180s not as quick as modern cars now??

[Mark S]

Originally Posted by tcb 180

My old one had a de cat, induction and a re map and was 194bhp on the printout.

I assume at the fly and calculated?

Any idea what whp it was?

Have seem 145whp equated to 175+fly hp, but in my mind thats just dreaming.

At least with whp there is something slightly comparable

Originally Posted by Eddie

I keep threatening to do it and I’m almost ready, I have a Honda Accrord 2.4 bottom end and a Civic type R K20 head available, throw in a set of new pistons (11.5.1) then install into a ZS.
300 NASP power with a power band to die for, reliable, fast, and economical if you want it to be.
reliable gains and a ballistic car rather than something quicker than you have.

sounds like you are doing what the honda britcar boys did?

If so, they based their build on an article written by 2 leicestershire lads which was published in the states as a theory exercise.
The britcar build was 30hp down on what it could/should have made
Having spoke to the chaps and seen their work, the full 330hp is possible if done properly and with attention to detail.

[petet16]

I reckon 145 whp is closer to 170 at the fly +0.

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by Mark S

I assume at the fly and calculated?

Any idea what whp it was?

Have seem 145whp equated to 175+fly hp, but in my mind thats just dreaming.

At least with whp there is something slightly comparable






sounds like you are doing what the honda britcar boys did?

If so, they based their build on an article written by 2 leicestershire lads which was published in the states as a theory exercise.
The britcar build was 30hp down on what it could/should have made
Having spoke to the chaps and seen their work, the full 330hp is possible if done properly and with attention to detail.

Was already involved with a 340bhp build last year and that engine has been transplanted and slightly de-tuned mild road car, 300bhp is very easy to achieve you can make an easy 260+ with a stock K24 bottom and just a K20 head, the jump from 260 upwards is cams and valve train, pistons and rods and light porting work.
The replacement for that build is a full out 400bbhp k2.6 block still 4 pot but with sleeved block and over bored and stroked, will need to run dry sump with the largest Kinsler ITB’s and on ethanol it will make a lot more power than 400+, big spec engine and purely for racing.
What I have in mind is cheap and simple, reliable and 300bhp NAP is more than a match for any FWD turbo car on the road today, the plus side will be the torque at 1800 rpm to 9000rpm.
Doing it in a ZS shell will be a nice touch, Lotus Elsie boys have been doing this conversion as have the Honda crowd for years.

This was the old car on a slowish run (far land blue Honda)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPjKry_Ukew

Put that engine into a ZS quiet it down a tad though

[Quadcam24]

zs was quick enough in its day, crikey i used to play with m3 csl's and 911 gt3's on track with just 210 bhp, that was after a good few grand thrown at it mind ,lol.

[Mat C]

Originally Posted by Quadcam24

zs was quick enough in its day, crikey i used to play with m3 csl's and 911 gt3's on track with just 210 bhp, that was after a good few grand thrown at it mind ,lol.

I like dreaming too! But that just proves what i said, to at least have a chance a ZS needs money thrown at it to tune it up. Sorry but there's no way on earth a ZS with 210 bhp would even get in the shadow of a GT3 or CSL. Sometimes i feel ashamed to be a ZS owner as all the other owners seem to have ridiculous delusions of grandeur!! Maybe why i've been off the site for 2 years, couldn't put up with the bull sh!t !!!

[Dan1971]

Originally Posted by Mat C

I like dreaming too! But that just proves what i said, to at least have a chance a ZS needs money thrown at it to tune it up. Sorry but there's no way on earth a ZS with 210 bhp would even get in the shadow of a GT3 or CSL. Sometimes i feel ashamed to be a ZS owner as all the other owners seem to have ridiculous delusions of grandeur!! Maybe why i've been off the site for 2 years, couldn't put up with the bull sh!t !!!

Think you'll find the car was a bit special - he mentions that - and the guy's spent some time driving on a track. Put a decent driver in a decent car and it'll waste a crap driver in a very fast car.

And - you know what - really - 2 years - well no-one missed you, and if you're just gonna throw insults around on the site at members just bog off back to wherever you've been trolling around for the last little while and don't bother coming back.....

[talkingcars]

Originally Posted by Dan1971

And - you know what - really - 2 years - well no-one missed you, and if you're just gonna throw insults around on the site at members just bog off back to wherever you've been trolling around for the last little while and don't bother coming back.....

and it's post like this that need a "like" button.

[Maxfly]

Originally Posted by talkingcars

and it's post like this that need a "like" button.

Most definately, dissapear for two years, not missed, comes back and almost straight away starts moaning and sniffling........yet still has a ZS *yawn*.

[Mark S]

Originally Posted by Mat C

I like dreaming too! But that just proves what i said, to at least have a chance a ZS needs money thrown at it to tune it up. Sorry but there's no way on earth a ZS with 210 bhp would even get in the shadow of a GT3 or CSL.

The ZS (KV6) does need money throwing at it, and 'till to date, a lot of money for not that much power.

A GT3, CSL, carrera 2 will make mince meat of a ZS if driven by the same driver, or drivers with the same ability

Originally Posted by Dan1971

Think you'll find the car was a bit special - he mentions that

It was very lightweight and the ZS does handle well, and driven well and can surprise many drivers of faster cars driven averagely, but this surprise is mainly corner entry/exit speed which many people confuse wrongly with power.
On the straights, the faster cars without doubt have the advantage.

Originally Posted by Dan1971

Put a decent driver in a decent car and it'll waste a crap driver in a very fast car.

Very True

Originally Posted by Dan1971

And - you know what - really - 2 years - well no-one missed you, and if you're just gonna throw insults around on the site at members just bog off back to wherever you've been trolling around for the last little while and don't bother coming back.....

?

The fact is,
Put a ZS against a like for like car that is as well tuned or setup as the ZS, and you will find that the ZS has no advantage.

track/race ZS vs 318 compact cup car?
track/race ZS vs clio track/race car?
the nasp mini cooper race cars are on par if not quicker than a ZS race car, and they are only 1600cc!
...
So, you learn how to drive your tuned ZS that you've thrown 5 grand at (enough to build a race ZS), a further 500+ in driver tuition/coaching and a few thou on test days etc, and you find that the 1.6 mini is just as quick, and have the edge over you in certain corners and you come to the conclusion that all things in perspective, the ZS is good, but perhaps not as good as our rose tinted spectacles made it appear to be?

The fact is, that all things being equal, the ZS does not make mince meat of all that we think it does.

[Dan1971]

The op was on about his standard 180 not being up to modern cars and it's developed since there into a session comparing track capability.

In it's day the ZS was well thought of as a driver's car. Now it's old - there are better things out there. No-one's arguing.

But - this is a ZS site - for people who when faced with a choice of car to buy based on whatever criteria they had at the time chose a ZS. If we were claiming our cars are 0-60 in under 5 secs and winning the traffic light grand prix against supercars - uber reliable - cumfy as a big squidgy sofa on a Sunday afternoon - then we'd be mistaken, and very sad indeed.

There are members who have invested in their cars for the track and tell us that they go well. There are members who have spent many hours honing their skills on the track to become decent drivers in that environment.

So we have rose tinted spectacles ...... So what ?