LHD MG ZS 180 MK2 has arrived

[talkingcars]

Doesn't "short to earth" mean that the signal is going the earth when it shouldn't?
Chaffed cables would cause this.

[petet16]

Yes, all those sensors have a 5v supply, to me short to earth means it is going to earth, either because of an internal failure of the sensor allowing it to earth, or because the 5v supply has found an alternative earth.

The first scenario has been pretty much eliminated because Jason swapped the sensors for different ones but the codes came back, so it's highly unlikely that all the sensors he tried have the same fault, which leaves the loom, chafed wiring isn't unknown, and would explain the codes reappearing.

[Jason04r]

Afternoon,

Sunny day so i work out whats going on.

Just quick one, confirm these are connect to the battery terminal:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/photo11_zps3c7e5a22.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/photo11_zps3c7e5a22.jpg.html)
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/photo21_zps08c76547.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/photo21_zps08c76547.jpg.html)

Cable leads to the ECU..

I've pulled the the manifold off to look at the loom and it appears fine but no snags.

See if this is correct before diving in more..

[petet16]

The negative battery terminal looks exactly the same as mine, so that should be ok, on the positive connector there's a Yellow connector crimp, I don't have that on mine.

[Jason04r]

I've just took it off. The guy had amps/sub in the boot...

I hope this isnt the cause...

[petet16]

Ah right, I doubt it would be the cause of the problem tbh.

[Jason04r]

It isnt , Still not starting...

Getting fed up. I've got a multi meter , fancy telling me which and what to check? haha

[Jason04r]

Another note, i can hear a faint clicking noise coming from the engine fuse box?

[petet16]

The faint clicking sounds like a relay, pop the relays out one at a time to find which one is clicking.

Ideally you need a wiring diagram to check which wires should have a live feed.

[petet16]

For your 3 fault codes, I would disconnect all 3 sensors and use the multimeter to check the value of the supply voltage on them

[Jason04r]

Which settings for the multimeter?

[petet16]

DC volts - 20 should be fine

[Jason04r]

Okay heres what i've got:


5.0v - Throttle Position
12.4v - Map sensor

Zero volts on :
Idle control valve
vacuum sensor

I've stripped back the plastic crap around the cables and there all straight , no cinks etc

[petet16]

OK, 5v on the tps is good.
12.4v on the map sensor means it's seeing battery voltage, not so good imo.
0v on idle control sensor also not so good.

You really need a wiring diagram to start fault finding further.

[Jason04r]

I've got a wire diagram but its all chinese to me.

What about cutting a corner and ordering another loom?

[petet16]

It depends if the loom is the problem, if it isn't the loom you have the expense and ball ache of swapping it, and then discovering the problem hasn't gone away.

On your wiring diagram does it show the map sensor and the colours of the wires going to it.

[Jason04r]

The disks at work so ill update you tomorrow with the info.

Thanks for today...

[petet16]

Just another thing is your code reader able to read live data, or just fault codes.

[Jason04r]

Just codes..

Live readers better?

[petet16]

Yeah, I like the live readers, I've got a Scangauge 2 as a semi permanent install in our 180, you can see what most of the sensors are doing.

[Jason04r]

Wow not cheap.

Shame i cant get the same system i have for my astra ... Plug in to my laptop and see everything which is happening on a £20 dongle + software :/

[andys1981]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111172602856?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
thats the one ive bought and it works with your phone via bluetooth,i also have the yellow scanner in the 2nd pic on ebay

[talkingcars]

Wow not cheap.

Shame i cant get the same system i have for my astra ... Plug in to my laptop and see everything which is happening on a £20 dongle + software :/

If it is a OBD2 compliant Astra the system should work on the ZS.

[Jason04r]

If it is a OBD2 compliant Astra the system should work on the ZS.

Yea but the software is only for vauxhal vehicles :(

[Jason04r]

Actually just found this software.

http://www.obdautodoctor.com/desktop/

Maybe its worth a try to see if my reader is compatible with it

[luigiZS]

http://www.ebay.es/itm/360718040843?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

[Jason04r]

I've got this atm:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Diagnostic-Tool-OBD2-Code-Reader-Fault-Scanner-OBDII-for-Vauxhall-Astra-Opel-/121206894722?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item1c387e7082

[talkingcars]

Yea but the software is only for vauxhal vehicles :(

But OBD2 is global.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obd2#OBD-II

[Jason04r]

But OBD2 is global.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obd2#OBD-II

Yea I meant the software for it but just found that free software so I'm loading it now and shall update later tonight if it works

[Jason04r]

Nope.. Doesnt work.

Its Op-Com only which is for Vauxhalls :( Have to order another generic one

[Jason04r]

I checked the loom for the Rover 75 last night and there's a earth cable just before the HT leads... Can anyone confirm if its the same for the ZS as there isn't one on mine.

[petet16]

Have you got a pic of the earth lead on the 75 loom to help locate the earth on the zs if it has one.

[Jason04r]

I'll take a picture when im home , all the images on google i can find are tiny.

[petet16]

ok cool, it will make it easier to see where to look on a zs loom.

[talkingcars]

Are you using the loom from the 75?
That may be your problem.
I know they both use the same ECU but some of the connections are different.

[petet16]

He's using the zs loom James, but he's found an earth on the 75 loom which doesn't appear to be on the zs one, if that makes sense.

[Jason04r]

Yea its the ZS loom... Plugs are all different on the 75 loom.

Gale force winds out side so I'll wait for it to calm down before I can get a picture

[Jason04r]

Anyone got a picture of the clutch bracket screws , I've got a massive tub of screws , they have to be in there.

Long shot I know

[petet16]

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ItemImages/Large/GRID003462.gif



M10x22 flanged head bolts

[Jason04r]

I found 3 screws with the correct thread , shortened them with the dremel and work great. I've attached the clutch bracket and the earth in the correct place and now I just have 1 error code :D still showing the map sensor so I'll check the volts tomorrow or the other map

[petet16]

Getting there:smile1:

[Jason04r]

Slowly mate haha , sunny weathers going to be gone soon :(

[petet16]

Lovely sunny day here today, shame it was only about 8 degrees

[Jason04r]

Took the loom off , stripped off all the electrical tap. Couldn't find any snagged wires ..

Still have MAP sensor error , No volts to the connector. Puzzled now to what i could be !!??

Is it normal for the horn to honk when locking the car?

[Skillen]

Took the loom off , stripped off all the electrical tap. Couldn't find any snagged wires ..

Still have MAP sensor error , No volts to the connector. Puzzled now to what i could be !!??

Is it normal for the horn to honk when locking the car?

No idea on the electrics side but the horn sounding a short beep is alerting you that a door/boot/bonnet hasn't been shut properly.
Maybe a failed sensor on a door.

[petet16]

No, it indicates a mislock, like for instance if you lock it with a door open.

[petet16]

I thought you had 12.4v at the map connector ?

[Skillen]

No, it indicates a mislock, like for instance if you lock it with a door open.

Same difference?

[Jason04r]

Not anymore :/

I re-check them all tomorrow if i get time.

[petet16]

Yes same, I posted at the same time as you, so didn't see your post.

[petet16]

I'm thinking that the 12.4v was a random reading and it was something trying to find an earth, time to find out where the map sensor gets its 5v supply from.

[Skillen]

Yes same, I posted at the same time as you, so didn't see your post.

Ohhhhhh! Gotcha!
Sorry :)

[talkingcars]

Could be a damaged pin on the connector to the ECU, they are small and easily bent.

[Jason04r]

Could be a damaged pin on the connector to the ECU, they are small and easily bent.

Checked all the pins and there straight .

I've ordered another loom, it was out in a pile of crap when i picked it up , god knows how much water , snow its been laying in :/ ( north spain gets snow haha)

[talkingcars]

.... ( north spain gets snow haha)

More than southern England does!

[Jason04r]

I've got a couple of questions.

Seems the car was down on petrol , is the KV6 manual or auto priming?
Also whats the deal with this petrol reset button behind the center console?

[petet16]

It auto primes, but if its been run out of fuel it takes about 15 litres in the tank to get it up and running.

The fuel cut off behind the console shuts off the supply in a crash.

[Jason04r]

Fair enough.

I've been reading my haynes manual and it states the crank sensor is located on the front side. I have mine at the back... Have i mad a simple school boy error?

[petet16]

The crank sensor is down the back of the engine, the cam sensor is on the front of the front cylinder bank

[Jason04r]

http://gallery.xpowerforums.com/data/500/MG_ZS_180_V6_Sensors_1.jpg
http://gallery.xpowerforums.com/data/500/MG_ZS_180_V6_Sensors_2.jpg

Haynes , Workshop manual and that all state its at the front :/

[petet16]

Yeah, it's wrong, lol

[Jason04r]

Good to know haha

I was looking through thinking whats the reason mine wont start ... thought i'd cracked it ;)

[petet16]

The injectors are mis identified as well, 1,3,5 are the front 3, and 2,4,6 on the rear.

[petet16]

It would be worth checking the fuel cut off hasn't been triggered, it's a square plastic block with a rubber plunger on top, make sure the plunger is pressed down.

[Jason04r]

I pressed it and it did make a click noise when pushing it down. wont make the click anymore.

Could this click off because of loading it onto the flat bed , general moving about on the back ( bouncing over bumps )

[petet16]

Yes, loading on to a flat bed, and bouncing about etc could have tripped it, if it's clicked that's it reset.

[Jason04r]

Also,

If i disconnect the return fuel pipe , green one i believe... should fuel dribble out or flood out because mine dribbles and not a gush of petrol

* I'm talking with the ignition off.

[petet16]

That's pretty normal, I wouldn't expect fuel to gush from the return.

[talkingcars]

I've heard of the fuel cut off tripping while the car is being hovered.

[Jason04r]

It wasn't floating but it was at a good angle to put on the truck , many bouncy bridges on the way home at 120kph lol

[Jason04r]

Is it normal for the crank sensor to have a yellow marker on it ? Reason i've asked is the ones on ebay has this yellow marking and on mine there isnt any

Example:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-ZS-180-CRANK-SENSOR-/200899711779?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ec68e5323

[petet16]

Does your crank sensor have a wire and plug like the one in the picture, or does the wire plug directly to the sensor.

[Jason04r]

Looks exactly the same. Are the crank and the cam sensors the same size ?

[petet16]

No, different.

[petet16]

Looks like Yellow tape, or paint.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ProductImages/XLarge/NSC000070.jpg

[petet16]

Cam sensor

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ProductImages/XLarge/NSC000310.jpg

[Jason04r]

Say mine doesnt have the plastic wrap around it , just a black cable

** My cam sensor**
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9686/lpic8053.jpg

[Jason04r]

Still not running. Still P0107 Map sensor but my dad said it shouldnt stop it from starting ( Just run like a dog )

We have spark and fuel , here's a video of whats going on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA9cOr8H88M&feature=youtu.be

We was wondering if it was the immobilizer , key fobs work. We can lock the car etc

Puzzled

[petet16]

It's true that the map sensor shouldn't stop it starting, or running.

[petet16]

That's really close to firing up, it won't be the immobiliser.

Try spraying some easy start into the tb.

[peterzs]

All the plugs leads going to the right plugs.

Plugs OK.

Timing OK.

Cam and crank sensors OK. (know you have looked at them)

Sounds like its trying.

[Jason04r]

Get some tomorrow , we thought about spraying some hair spray or something but then said it wouldn't fix the starting issue. Dont fancy spraying easy start every time i want to go somewhere.

Were puzzled to what i could be , Crank sensor maybe???

[petet16]

I think that maybe once it has started and run, it will be fine, Peter raises a good point about the plug leads, are you sure they're on the right plugs.

[talkingcars]

I wouldn't use hairspray, it'll coat the sensors and spark plugs! It is used to fix charcoal drawings so they don't rub off!

[Jason04r]

Wrong plugs on the rear * Slaps forehead*

Still wont start on its own , sprayed a little amount of hair spray ( Popped some when it cranked , hope nothings damaged ) and runs around 2500,3000 rpm but dies if the throttle is idle...

[Jason04r]

I wouldn't use hairspray, it'll coat the sensors and spark plugs! It is used to fix charcoal drawings so they don't rub off!

Didnt see your post! :(

[petet16]

Well, getting it running is a major plus, it shows all the basic stuff is good.

Just the idle to sort out.

[Jason04r]

Wait for the loom to arrive. Dad says the map sensor shouldn't stop it from idling properly however not ruled out.

Sounds amazing at 3000 rpm , nearly got a semi hahaha

[petet16]

lol, too much info

[petet16]

Did you clean the idle control valve, there's a sticky on here somewhere about how to do it.

[petet16]

http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=1293

[Jason04r]

Just checked mine now. pushed it all the way in , moves when the ignition it turned on and off ..

tested with both i have , both do the same.

Noticed there isnt a gasket on there either

[Jason04r]

Been on rimmers and cant find the gasket for it ?

[stamford]

Is this the small paper one? I cleaned the faces and used Hylomar.

[petet16]

Number 6 for the gasket on its own, number 5 for a little kit of parts, or as Mick says a bit of rtv sealant.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID003511

[Jason04r]

Excuse my dumbness , is there a gasket for here:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/idle_zps9a1eb6c3.png (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/idle_zps9a1eb6c3.png.html)

[stamford]

Pretty sure it is just an 'o' ring? Pete will know :ninja:

[petet16]

I think it's the o ring shown in the kit of parts.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-MKG100260L

[ZRed]

Jog my memory here and save me sifting through posts, you are using the throttle body from the ZS yeah?

[Jason04r]

Jog my memory here and save me sifting through posts, you are using the throttle body from the ZS yeah?

Yes :mml:

[Jason04r]

Theres no o-ring in there , could be the reason for it unable to idle?

[Jason04r]

Theres no o-ring in there , could be the reason for it unable to idle?

Scrap this , just remember it has one.

[Jason04r]

Got the loom today . Changed it this evening.

Still get P0107 MAP sensor so it rules out the loom being the issue. Also if i connect my other MAP sensor i get error P0113 - Intake air temp high input + P0107 map sensor

Stumped what to do now , new ecu , new map sensor ??? Havent started the car tonight as its 10:30pm ..

Starting to wish i never bothered :/

[petet16]

Is the ecu the one that came with the car when you bought it.

[Jason04r]

Yes , It was left in the boot since the engine was removed.

[Jason04r]

Guessing it has to be because arent the ecu and immobilizer matched?

[petet16]

Yes, they're matched as a pair, normally I would doubt the ecu being the problem, but as you've changed the loom, and sensors and still have the problem I'm beginning to wonder.

[Jason04r]

My dads words are starting to annoy me , " i told you not to buy it " seems to be his favorite words at the moment.

If i was to send my ECU to these repair guys , is it worth it or just to buy the £70 ECU kit i've seen on ebay :/

[petet16]

I've bought a few ecu kits off ebay and never had a problem, so thats the way I'd go, make sure you get the ecu, scu, fob, and the transponder ring from round the ignition barrel.

[Jason04r]

I've found a cheap Map sensor from a guy breaking on ebay. I'll give the cheap option a go first before diving in.

Got a nice letter from the tax man saying i need to pay £500 tax this afternoon .. Not a good month at all

[petet16]

I've just read post #4, "he drove into deep water", I wonder how deep.

[Jason04r]

Pulled up an old email with the guy.

poorly translated :

"not had any blow fault was that water entered the engine intake filter to the bottom and bent cranks the engine"

So there might be a chance that the water could of damaged the MAP sensor?

[petet16]

That's what I'm thinking, and could possibly have given the ecu a soaking as well.

[Jason04r]

I see where you coming from but i know ecu connector has gaskets and im sure the ecu does aswel to protect from water ingress.

I'll get the map sensor and go from there. There will be a day it works :)

[Jason04r]

The recovery guy who i went to collect the car with has two map sensors , pick them up tonight.

Shall update :)

[petet16]

That's a bonus, I see on your post on .org someone has linked Spanish xpart dealers, could be cheaper than importing from the UK ?.

[Jason04r]

Yea i seen it but to be honest it was a waste of time posting on there.I Already called the xpart Spain and the prices are higher than me shipping from the UK lol

[petet16]

oh bummer

[Jason04r]

Guy had to go out on a call , should be able to pick them up tomorrow. To add to that Came home to find my dogs have destroyed my sofa .. Such a bad month .. Money money money lol

[peterzs]

Got to admire the effort you are putting into it all.

Hope you get a good result soon.

Certainly deserve it, and Bad dogs.

;););)

[Jason04r]

Turns out its he has the wrong version . good news is he is going to the scrap yard Monday to get it for me. Also he told me my idle issue is down to a air leak , I do have a broken breather pipe when I selotaped up haha

[petet16]

Yeah, an air leak would mess with the idle.

[Jason04r]

There's a freelander in the scrappy so he said, Getting the breather tubes and the map sensor.

Lets see next week haha

[petet16]

An air leak would also mess with the map sensor reading, we'll see next week.

[Jason04r]

Just been quoted £146.20 for a map sensor in Gibraltar... errrm i'll call you back haha

The guy who said he could get me one hasn't replied to my messages so looks like i'll have to order one. Called two companies in Spain and they dont know or have stock.

Arghhh

[petet16]

A pattern part from Rimmers £58. http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-MHK100820P

[talkingcars]

Have you looked for the air leak yet?

[Jason04r]

I've got a broken breather pipe and the t piece isn't in the best of shape. Anyone know who's selling them without spending money with rimmerbros

[talkingcars]

Can you not make something up from bits from a motor factors.

[Jason04r]

Problem is its cracked at the base where it connects to the cam cover.. See if i can get a plastic joint from somewhere and use the tubing from the catch tank for the time being.

[Jason04r]

Well,

Got a phone call back from some dealers in Spain , They cant get the part for around 1-2 weeks and would cost 80 euros. Gave in and ordered a brand new one on eBay for £30 something and also a brand new breather pipe from rimmerbros £26.00 with delivery! ( robbing gits )

These parts are going to my nans in the UK as my parents are currently in the middle of spain on there road trip up to the UK.

So nothing will happen until my parents arrive back , early January. Also got a new head cylinder for my Astra , gaskets , head bolts... poor things had the head gone for well over a year and i don't fancy having my heaters on full in the summer haha.

Another month wont hurt i guess , glad i haven't lost interest in her

[petet16]

It's not really Rimmers being robbing gits, that's the xpart price, you'd pay the same at any UK xpart dealer.

[Jason04r]

Okay my parents arrived back with the map sensor and the breather pipe. Map sensor error has now gone but it still fails to start !

It's actually the same as the video i posted :( what the hell can it be ?

[petet16]

Do you now have no fault codes showing ?.

[Jason04r]

No codes

[petet16]

I've just watched, and re watched your vid of it trying to start, that engine is desperate to run, and is really trying to fire up, are you 100% sure the timing is right, and how much fuel is in it.

[Jason04r]

Timing looks perfect, the rear cam lines are aligned . when pulling the plugs you can smell fuel on them.

It runs fine with hairspray and revs , guessing now I've fixed the breather it should idle okay now but don't want to spray easy start in it tbh

[petet16]

tbh, I'm fresh out of ideas, it wants to run, you can see that, I can't see what else could be stopping it from going, everything seems to have been covered.

I'm tempted to suggest a compression check might be in order.

[Jason04r]

My thoughts too , I'm going to double check the timing tomorrow. When we took the spark plugs out they were black as a hat so cleaned it with a wire brush but didn't do it on the rears , what's the gap size for the kv6 ?

[grimmy]

My thoughts too , I'm going to double check the timing tomorrow. When we took the spark plugs out they were black as a hat so cleaned it with a wire brush but didn't do it on the rears , what's the gap size for the kv6 ?

You shouldn't clean pugs with a wire brush small pieces of the wire can get into the plugs causing them to misfire.

[Jason04r]

Just been reading about it , interesting tbh. Ever since I can remember my grandad and my dad have always used a wire brush to clean plugs

[grimmy]

Just been reading about it , interesting tbh. Ever since I can remember my grandad and my dad have always used a wire brush to clean plugs

I wouldn't think it has any bearing on your car not starting but just thought I should point it out as it seems to be best practice.have you looked at the sparks as you crank it.maybe there is a duff plug or a coil pack thats preventing it from running properly. sorry if that's already been mentioned .

[Jason04r]

Checked 1 spark plug from both sides and are firing. Tomorrow I shall get cracking with it , really need to get it going now

[Jason04r]

Checked all the timing , rear cam tools fit so it's all aligned( used the flywheel pin with the crank in the safe position ). Even stripped the left hand side the check the front cam alignment.

Pulled all the spark plugs and they look like this :
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/image_zpsc4c4fd77.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/image_zpsc4c4fd77.jpg.html)
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/image_zps56a003dd.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/image_zps56a003dd.jpg.html)

Notice the layer on oil around the base ?

I'll get 6 new plugs tomorrow

[grimmy]

Checked all the timing , rear cam tools fit so it's all aligned( used the flywheel pin with the crank in the safe position ). Even stripped the left hand side the check the front cam alignment.

Pulled all the spark plugs and they look like this :
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/image_zpsc4c4fd77.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/image_zpsc4c4fd77.jpg.html)
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/image_zps56a003dd.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/image_zps56a003dd.jpg.html)

Notice the layer on oil around the base ?

I'll get 6 new plugs tomorrow

Not sure if it's just the picture but the gap in the first one looks huge.

[petet16]

Mahoosive plug gap there

[Jason04r]

Say I've not changed the gap size ... New plugs in order then

[petet16]

The gaps on the plugs should be 1.0mm, yours look bigger but it could be an optical illusion on the picture.

[peterzs]

and it looks like it was running very rich???

[Jason04r]

Checking them , there all different gap sizes . Two actually are joined together by something

[grimmy]

Checking them , there all different gap sizes . Two actually are joined together by something

Sounds like we may have stumbled on to something here.

[petet16]

Sounds like we may have stumbled on to something here.

I think so too.

[Jason04r]

Let's see tomorrow at , my dad said it could be something simple as spark plugs

[talkingcars]

Those spark plugs are fugged!

[Jason04r]

Someone just confirm that NLP100290 is the p/n for the spark plugs.

Thanks

[Dan1971]

Let's see tomorrow at , my dad said it could be something simple as spark plugs

Always listen to your dad ....

[Jason04r]

Always listen to your dad ....

Always right in the end , never can get one on him haha

[petet16]

Someone just confirm that NLP100290 is the p/n for the spark plugs.

Thanks

Yeah, they're the right plugs.

[Jason04r]

Spain is a joke!

35 euros for 1 spark plug! Another order from the UK by the looks of it.... Which brand should i be going for?

[petet16]

NGK are good, 35 Euros !! that's fierce, was that from the Spanish equivalent of a motor factor ?.

[petet16]

Matt@DMGRS http://www.dmgrs.co.uk/collections/ignition-components/products/champion-oem-spark-plugs-x4-all-k-series-200-400-25-45-75-zr-zs-zt-f-tf-nlp100290

[Jason04r]

NGK are good, 35 Euros !! that's fierce, was that from the Spanish equivalent of a motor factor ?.

Halfords wanna be ... Thanks for the link

[petet16]

35 Euros = £29, was that for 6, or each !!!!

[Jason04r]

That's correct , Called the Car center in Gibraltar .. £20.00 per spark plug!

£120.00 for 6 spark plugs lol!

[petet16]

Splutter :crazy:

Is spark plug theft a big issue in Spain :clap:

[ZRed]

Landrover price for genuine kv6 plugs over here is over £12 each

[ZRed]

Where are the plugs that were in engine when i sent it over?

[Jason04r]

Where are the plugs that were in engine when i sent it over?

In the engine Zred , havent removed them until now

[ZRed]

That's not your problem mate. I ran that car for a week with no issues before removing the engine.

[Jason04r]

Thoughts of what i could be from looking at my video?

[talkingcars]

Where are the plugs that were in engine when i sent it over?

Are they not the ones in the photos a couple of pages back?

If so it looks like all this mis-starting has goosed them.

[Jason04r]

Are they not the ones in the photos a couple of pages back?

If so it looks like all this mis-starting has goosed them.

Yes there the spark plugs which came with the engine.I'll get the plugs and go from there.

[Jason04r]

Ordered the plugs from ebay , £30 including shipping...

[Jason04r]

Well i think i destroyed the crank sensor when trying to remove it , bloody thing was stuck really good when i got it out i could see the wires going into the sensor where half cut :/

Getting P0335 and no spark so I've ordered a new one at the cost of £94 eeekkkk..

When will this end lol

[Dan1971]

Well i think i destroyed the crank sensor when trying to remove it , bloody thing was stuck really good when i got it out i could see the wires going into the sensor where half cut :/

Getting P0335 and no spark so I've ordered a new one at the cost of £94 eeekkkk..

When will this end lol

:yikes:

When mine went it cost me a tenner 2nd hand ....

[Jason04r]

:yikes:

When mine went it cost me a tenner 2nd hand ....

Only one i could find on ebay , i contacted every guy breaking a 180 on ebay and there all gone ...

I did order one 3 weeks ago for £30 but the guy said it had been sent , i waited 2 weeks then opened a paypal dispute .. his answer was he sent it to the wrong address...

[Dan1971]

I feel for you pal .... nightmare. :console:

[Jason04r]

I feel for you pal .... nightmare. :console:

That reminds me , Your lights are finally being collected on Thursday. Going via DHL so should be quick

PM you the tracking once its gone.

[Dan1971]

That reminds me , Your lights are finally being collected on Thursday. Going via DHL so should be quick

PM you the tracking once its gone.

No worries - send me your address and I'll send the vents off anyway - they are just sitting in the shed boxed anyway ....

[Jason04r]

One thing I forgot to mention , what would cause the rad and air con fans to spin to 100% after cranking ?

[Skillen]

One thing I forgot to mention , what would cause the rad and air con fans to spin to 100% after cranking ?

I asked that too and it turned out to be a dead battery causes them to do that.
One new Bosch S5 later and it fired up after a good cranking.

[Jason04r]

Just got a brand new battery which I've been using in my astra for 2-3 weeks. It only happened two or three times , after that the fans wouldn't spin after cranking... Strange

[grimmy]

One thing I forgot to mention , what would cause the rad and air con fans to spin to 100% after cranking ?

Flat battery.

[Jason04r]

Flat battery.

Its not a flat battery , volts 12.70 , ran in my astra for weeks so it cant be the battery. I can crank the car tons of times before the battery drains..

[petet16]

Most likely it was just a random thing in your case, although a flat battery will trip the fans on.

[Jason04r]

Does anyone know the measurement of the air filter , received one in the post but it's a lot smaller than the plastic holder..

Another note , I have 6 new plugs , cam sensor and crank sensor , fuel filter.. If I fails to start this time I will call out a mechanic I know..

[petet16]

Ah, the wrong air filter sketch, it should be approx 372mm x 115mm x 42mm.

[Jason04r]

Right :/

Don't know why companies state it fits MG ZS 180 2.5 when its incorrect size.

[petet16]

Seems to be a common thing, there was a similar post on another forum recently, they seem to send a filter for k4 engines.

[petet16]

http://www.themgzs.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=27111

[Jason04r]

Still no go , Same as before.

Change the fuel filter , 6 new plugs , cam & crank sensor. I also checked the compression.

From looking at the front of the car:

Front Pistons

Left = 185
Middle=195
Right=190

Rear :

Left: 200
Middle: 210
Right:205

Cleaned idle control , throttle sensor etc... Nada.

Arghhhhhhhh

[talkingcars]

440 posts, 5000 views - impressive ;)

[Jason04r]

440 posts, 5000 views - impressive ;)

Woot :clap2:

[petet16]

No lack of compression.

[Jason04r]

I've been speaking to someone from MG lifestyle in regards to my issues and he's saying it can be the immobilizer causing the engine cough and then die.

I have the EKA code , from what i've been reading it should allow me to start the engine with the immobilizer disabled ... Am i correct ?

[petet16]

Worth a try I guess, remember to leave it for about 10 minutes after entering the code before trying to start it.

[Jason04r]

Interesting find here:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=384938

When locking my car with the fob it locks and then unlocks on its own , in the thread it states a bad SCU..

My car was damaged by water entering the engine , maybe it could of fried the SCU aswel some how...

[Jason04r]

When entering the code the alarm goes off when on the 3rd EKA number.

Does this state a bad code ?

[petet16]

It does, where did you get the code from.

[Jason04r]

http://www.radiocodes.co.uk/

[petet16]

Do you know if it's still got the original ecu & bcu fitted.

[Jason04r]

Wouldn't know tbh , didn't get any log book for the car .. Looks like I need to buy a new ecu/SCU from ebay .

Its got to be the immobilizer stopping the engine from firing

[MG ZS STE]

Pm'd

[petet16]

Or you could send the scu to Technozen, he can read the eka code.

[petet16]

If you buy another get the ecu, scu, fobs, and transponder ring.

[Jason04r]

Just to confirm,

If i change the ECU/SCU and get the new fob, I can keep my current keys . Just change the Fobs and ECU/SCU

[petet16]

Yes, you keep your original keys.

[Jason04r]

Seems i'm going to be pulling the dash apart , someone please check if the all fuses are all there:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/IMG_20140122_193213_zpseae7d875.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/IMG_20140122_193213_zpseae7d875.jpg.html)

[petet16]

Fuses are all present as far as I can see.

[Jason04r]

Is the 2.5 and 1.8 exhaust backbox the same?

[stamford]

As far as I am aware yes they are.

[Jason04r]

Okay new ECU and SCU and still the same problem.

It takes around 10 attempts of starting with dabbing the throttle and then it fires up however it will not idle and i need to keep the revs high. I can keep the revs around 2500rpm then it will die... Then another 10 attempts and it will do the same.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8IWOABl0Pc&feature=youtu.be

I'm thinking fuel pump now?

[petet16]

Is that firing on all 6 cylinders ?.

[Jason04r]

Is that firing on all 6 cylinders ?.

Doesn't sound like its misfiring tbh it doesnt run long enough for me to go around and check , really need another person.

Dads saying its an air leak from somewhere like the brake servo or the fuel pumps bad.

Getting fed up with this car :sad:

[petet16]

They're both possibilities, any fault codes being recorded.

[Jason04r]

No codes...

[petet16]

I guess it is firing on all 6 then, it would record random misfires if not.

Thing is, why would the pump decide to quit.

[peterzs]

Not stale fuel???

[Jason04r]

About a month old .. 25 litres of fresh petrol.

I'm going to make a DIY smoke machine ... 12v air pump , sealed tin and a cigar .
Got the idea from here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRiK2HEA3QQ

Worth a shot to rule of a vacuum leak

[Jason04r]

Well.....

IT WORKS!!!

Faulty fuel regulator valve , changed it and immediately the fuel pump sounded different.

Turned the key and it started first and everytime.

Weeee

[grimmy]

Well.....

IT WORKS!!!

Faulty fuel regulator valve , changed it and immediately the fuel pump sounded different.

Turned the key and it started first and everytime.

Weeee

Yasssssssssssss happy days you must be over the moon.:punk:

[Jason04r]

Yasssssssssssss happy days you must be over the moon.:punk:

I am mate, spent alot of money along the way but well worth that v6 rumble :happy:

[petet16]

It's been emotional :-D

[MG ZS STE]

Man I'm so chuffed for you. Well done and well worth the effort put in. Now get it legal and on the road.

[peterzs]

Good news, holding my breath, waiting for, "I've decided to scrap it", post.

Think you deserve a medal for perseverance, enjoy the results.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :hooray::hooray::hooray: :bow::bow::bow:

[talkingcars]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--1d2-c34Xl8/UODrUC-OGdI/AAAAAAAABrU/Y-5gKFkbdXE/s1600/christmas-victory.gif

Well done.

[Jason04r]

The offending valve , Feel like hitting it multiple times with a hammer.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/Jnnw123/IMG_20140202_191300_zpse74d7fbb.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Jnnw123/media/IMG_20140202_191300_zpse74d7fbb.jpg.html)

Long journey but a great experience , learnt so much. I wouldn't say this is the end of this thread as ive got loads to do :) But just a massive thank you to all your help.

I shall update soon when she's been MOT'd ( Hope it passes now )

[Jason04r]

Could someone confirm the size of the exhaust

One I want to order is 1170mm

Thanks

[talkingcars]

I.D is 2" at the cat.

[petet16]

Looking on Euro Car Parts the length of the rear section is showing at 1170mm for a mk2 saloon.

[Jason04r]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400594336921?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch% 2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D40059 4336921%26_rdc%3D1

Here's the link , £74 and £20 postage which I find to be good to Spain.

[petet16]

I'm not sure if it's the right one or not, the ebay listing shows the oe part number as WCG000191, which xpart list for a mk1, the mk2 oe number is WCG000560, you could just extend the tail pipe length of a mk1 unit by a couple of inches, good price though.

[Jason04r]

I did email them and they said it's the part number I need for the year and model. I don't want to go cutting and joining as it will fail the itv due to Spain's crappy laws. If it says 1170mm for the mk2 then it's good for me

I'll bite the bullet , I have it in black and white that it's the correct exhaust so they will pay to return it :)

Thanks again

[petet16]

Cool, go for it.

[Jason04r]

Other than rimmerbros and Eurocarparts , who stocks the air filter for the 180.

Rimmer and eurocarparts wants to charge me £18.00 delivery :( Local shops near me haven't a clue what a KV6 is and why its different from normal K series...

[petet16]

It's a recurring problem, ebay suppliers send people k4 filters for the kv6.

[Jason04r]

It's a recurring problem, ebay suppliers send people k4 filters for the kv6.

yea i know , i got sent a k series filter lol

Would you need the p/n for the filter?

[petet16]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Filter-Mg-Zs-2-5-01-on-/310394521869?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4844f4890d

[petet16]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Knecht-Air-Filter-Air-Cleaner-Filter-Element-for-Rover-LX-1085-/201023480743?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ecdeee3a7

The oe part number is PHE 105590

[petet16]

About £18 is the going rate to Spain, I just checked, £14.99 + vat.

[petet16]

Much cheaper with Royal Mail, if it was a small packet it'd be £6.40 postage.

[Jason04r]

Thanking you

[petet16]

What delivery option did you select with Rimmers.

[Jason04r]

What delivery option did you select with Rimmers.

Wanted to pay by Paypal , ive got £30.00 balance and wanted to take money from my card , problem is it didnt tell me the amount but over £30

There delivery is slow anyways , i've ordered the one from ebay, also found the power steering cap i needed :)

[Jason04r]

Has anyone got pictures of the hose from the oil cooler to the rad , there's a metal bracket to stop the hose from crimping but haven't got a Scooby how it attaches. Also since removing the dash I've got 0E on the climate control .. Double checked the connectors but can't find the meaning of the code

[petet16]

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff96/smokeysworld/atc_zpsd6bb8c32.png

[Jason04r]

Perfect , thanks again .

Thoughts on the rad tube holder ?

[petet16]

Not sure on the rad tube tbh.

[Jason04r]

Took it out for its first outing , just round the road behind my house , loved it for all 30 seconds it was ( no mot or insurance hence the short run )

So far I've noticed is the parking sensors don't work and also the clutch needs to be fully pressed down to the carpet ..

Reading a couple of month ago I thought the clutch pedal was high on these ?

[Jason04r]

Just read that the park sensors are linked to the reverse lights , seems there not connected I think that's why .. I'll check will tomorrow.